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    Posted: April/04/2013 at 11:45pm

Brother Paul Jerome has started a new Facebook page for Masons to discuss why some lodges cannot open for lack of members, some cannot get enough officers out to put on a degree, and how "We Make Good Men Better." 

This will be a good place to discuss and search for solutions to lodge problems with attendance problems that can improve regular attendance and participation.

And best of all, this site will give all a chance to comment on how we make good men better.

All are invited to join the discussion on Brother Paul's Page.

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I do not have a FB page to participate nor am I a mason but I have several friends who talk about the old guard keeping the lodge down because they will not let younger men give the lodge a shot in the arm it needs.

It may be too late and the GM for the state should look to merge the lodges in question.

However, if the WM of the lodge is open minded then he should let the younger men set up an advertising committee to attract others who might be interested in joining but are too nervous to do so.

My journey started by visiting the local web page of the lodge in my town and saw they had an open house. My friend who is a MM accompanied me there which took the edge off my nerves and it was an overall fun experience.

Fellowship activities with the public such as hot dogs, sausage and pepper cookouts etc could drum up people who had no idea your building was even there.

Case in point: The local lodge I'm interacting with is one traffic light from my house in the downtown area and I did not know it was there for 3 years until my father-in-law, who knew I wanted to become a mason, pointed it out one day.

My prospective lodge has the advantage of being in an old downtown setting and has plenty of foot traffic to do adverts right on the sidewalk if they so choose.

If foot traffic outside the lodge is an issue, maybe look to get permits to set up shop somewhere and have pamphlets available. Not necessarily recruiting but making your lodge known so those interested can ask one to be one or at the minimum get some reading material and speak to those in the know.


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how can I make may life better I am not freemasonry I want to be freemasonry so as I can make wonderful thing in the world b'se I have may own ambitions
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Originally posted by FoF FoF wrote:

I do not have a FB page to participate nor am I a mason but I have several friends who talk about the old guard keeping the lodge down because they will not let younger men give the lodge a shot in the arm it needs.

It may be too late and the GM for the state should look to merge the lodges in question.

However, if the WM of the lodge is open minded then he should let the younger men set up an advertising committee to attract others who might be interested in joining but are too nervous to do so.

My journey started by visiting the local web page of the lodge in my town and saw they had an open house. My friend who is a MM accompanied me there which took the edge off my nerves and it was an overall fun experience.

Fellowship activities with the public such as hot dogs, sausage and pepper cookouts etc could drum up people who had no idea your building was even there.

Case in point: The local lodge I'm interacting with is one traffic light from my house in the downtown area and I did not know it was there for 3 years until my father-in-law, who knew I wanted to become a mason, pointed it out one day.

My prospective lodge has the advantage of being in an old downtown setting and has plenty of foot traffic to do adverts right on the sidewalk if they so choose.

If foot traffic outside the lodge is an issue, maybe look to get permits to set up shop somewhere and have pamphlets available. Not necessarily recruiting but making your lodge known so those interested can ask one to be one or at the minimum get some reading material and speak to those in the know.
 
And just who are you to be passing judgement?
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Originally posted by Z111 Z111 wrote:

Originally posted by FoF FoF wrote:

I do not have a FB page to participate nor am I a mason but I have several friends who talk about the old guard keeping the lodge down because they will not let younger men give the lodge a shot in the arm it needs.

It may be too late and the GM for the state should look to merge the lodges in question.

However, if the WM of the lodge is open minded then he should let the younger men set up an advertising committee to attract others who might be interested in joining but are too nervous to do so.

My journey started by visiting the local web page of the lodge in my town and saw they had an open house. My friend who is a MM accompanied me there which took the edge off my nerves and it was an overall fun experience.

Fellowship activities with the public such as hot dogs, sausage and pepper cookouts etc could drum up people who had no idea your building was even there.

Case in point: The local lodge I'm interacting with is one traffic light from my house in the downtown area and I did not know it was there for 3 years until my father-in-law, who knew I wanted to become a mason, pointed it out one day.

My prospective lodge has the advantage of being in an old downtown setting and has plenty of foot traffic to do adverts right on the sidewalk if they so choose.

If foot traffic outside the lodge is an issue, maybe look to get permits to set up shop somewhere and have pamphlets available. Not necessarily recruiting but making your lodge known so those interested can ask one to be one or at the minimum get some reading material and speak to those in the know.
 
And just who are you to be passing judgement?
 
I had the same thought, but I'm sure he would consider me part of the "old guard".
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I don't see FoF passing judgement, I see him making suggestions, and I think some of his suggestions are very good. So what if he is not a Mason?

The Lodges I see failing or failing to grow are those that do not have activities in addition to the business meetings and degree work. In some cases yes, it is the "old curmudgeons" who put the kibosh to lodge activities, but in a lot of other cases it's little cliques that become entrenched and if it's not their idea then nothing will fly. Many members of these cliques are not that old.

My lodge is very active in the community and we are constantly talking about new ideas and activities that will benefit the lodge. Some fly, some don't, but its based on what works and what doesn't, not who initiated it. At my old age of 59 I don't try to stop the flow of ideas. We have many members well into their 80's and they have a live and let live attitude as well.

So keep the ideas flowing. Some, like casino nights won't fly, but if its within reason, try it. You never know when you will hit pay dirt.
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Lodges that cannot open or put on degrees due to poor attendance usually do not suffer from "not bringing in enough new members" but not engaging the ones they have.

A lodge has a prescribed number present to open or confer a degree... if the actual membership roles of these lodges were close to that small number, the DDGLs and GMs themselves would be looking to merge the lodge with another.

The issue is participation. It is not a new challenge - I was poking around our lodges library a while ago and came across a Short Talk Bulletin dated in the 1950's about how to better engage the members and get them "from their living room into their lodge room." 
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Not trying to stifle new ideas at all.  Nothing he suggested is new.
I think he should get his feet wet before offering up suggestions.
 
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Being new to the organization, I can say that whatever comes out of my mind (and onto the keyboard) should be taken with a molecule of salt. I recognize being new and not knowing anything. Sometimes I get a little antsy and find out that something I thought was really tiny (inspection) was actually the most massive event ever seen (same inspection).
 
I can see cliques all over, especially where the men sit on the sidelines. I know exactly where they are going to sit and who they will talk to. I try and move all over because you see different vantage points (especially on a degree night).
 
In a way, I sort of feel that my lodge is too active. There doesn't seem to be any room for something new and not tried. A good number of the events are repeats and their success is debatable. What I would like to see more of is visible events. I think I have brought this up before, but I think it is important that when you are doing charitable work, you are somewhat visible when you do it. That is not to say that most good deeds should remain hidden, one does not have to be brazen to show their good deeds. However, actions speak louder than words (and money).
 
The biggest issue is probably dues issues. Raising dues or changing something causes a huge uproar.
 
I also come from a College Fraternity and cannot see how the organization can survive into the future without some sort of "recruitment". If College Fraternities had been prohibitied from recruiting new members, they would have died long ago. I'm sure this statement alone with draw ire from many members on the board...
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If charity work is visible than I question whether it is done for charitable purposes or for the publicity.
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There are, of course, cliques all over; they can't be avoided, and in some respects, they can be healthy. Its when a clique controls  the organization and stifles or obstructs others that I object. Many times I hear such members lament that one becomes a Master Mason and we never see him again. I think, well no wonder why- did this person feel accepted? Did we give him a chance to be part of the group and allow him to make a contribution and grow? Does the Lodge have activities, whether charitable, social or otherwise, compatible with our values, that will make a man feel that it is worthwhile to be active?  Many times the answer is no.

I agree that charity work needs to be altruistic and not just for the publicity. If it is just for the publicity, people will soon see through that and it will fail. But, IMHO, there is nothing wrong with hoping for and getting new members through our works. If our works promote our values and that attracts men having those values, what is wrong with that?

I also understand why some might want a new member or aspiring member to "get their feet wet" before speaking out, but I think its more in the way they say it and approach it. If someone comes in like a bull in a china shop and says you guys are dead need to do this and that... yes, I'd probably tell them to go take a hike. But if they are sincere and earnestly want to contribute, I say fine, what does it matter if they are new or not a member? Like I said before, you never know when you'll hit pay dirt. Their ideas may not be new to us, but may be new to their lodge. We don't know.
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It is also a different experience when you are an EA for 6 months. You find that other lodges around you made men MM's in 3 or 4 months time. Sometimes it is like you get to participate, but not too much.
You can do this for a while and not that. You can go to this event, but not until half way through.
 
Being an EA or an FC is usually a short experience. Degree, exam, Degree, exam, Degree (optional exam). However, when you are an EA or FC for 4 or more months, you start to have that yearning for not only some sort of acceptance but the ability to take part in the lodge.
 
Yes, "bull in the china shop" is the wrong way to go. Sometimes it is even difficult for me. I came from an established organization that I helped expand, went to international meetings and was even an officer. To start back at the bottom of an organization is a humbling experience.
 
What does help is when a WM recognizes that you want to improve yourself and the others around you. I have an excellent WM who does want the junior members to be, in a way, more active than the senior members and solicits their responses/opinions.
 
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I agree with FoF even though he isn't a Mason yet. I think we need to know what keeps the public interest. We are making many Masons in my lodge 10-12 a year but many only come a few meetings or here and there or not at all. I think a viewpoint to some extend outside of Masonry should be welcomed.
 
@Easttowesttoeast, Georgia is a jurisdiction where all business is done on the 3rd degree. I know where you are coming from. I had the same problem. When I was going through they forgot to invite us to the public stuff and the fundraisers just for that reason. We came and ate dinner before the meeting and left unless we were doing an exam or getting the next degree.
 
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it is not our duty to make good men better, imo. a man should want to chisel away at his ashlar for his own reasons and not anyone elses. just my opinion
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Originally posted by PHAlanx PHAlanx wrote:

it is not our duty to make good men better, imo. a man should want to chisel away at his ashlar for his own reasons and not anyone elses. just my opinion


That is true. That is the honest truth.

During my undergrad years, we had a saying when someone would try and join my fraternity and not be the kind of good soil in which to sew our precepts. The saying way "This is Lambda Chi Alpha Fraternity; Not Lambda Chi Alpha Rehab". We were able to pick up good men and stay away from those who may not be so great.

I feel that it is my duty to share my knowledge with my other brothers (for example, if I find a great reading on the EA or FC degree or a scholarly researched book on the order). My interpretation of the symbols may be different than yours. However, it is also my duty to pass on the working tools to others whom I feel would be good ground. It is our duty to give them the tools, but not ours to work on their ashlar. We have our own ashlars to worry about for the builder.
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Originally posted by easttowesttoeast easttowesttoeast wrote:

... It is our duty to give them the tools, but not ours to work on their ashlar. We have our own ashlars to worry about for the builder.
I disagree with your wording. 
 
It is our duty to SHOW them what Working Tools exist and what they can do to make a good man better WHEN USED. 
 
It is up to them to find 'em, pick 'em up and then use 'em 'til the Work is done.
 
The problem is most Brothers only know what the Working Tools are.  Very few Brothers know how to use them, what they actually do and what Transformations that can be expected when used properly.
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Originally posted by coach coach wrote:

Originally posted by easttowesttoeast easttowesttoeast wrote:

... It is our duty to give them the tools, but not ours to work on their ashlar. We have our own ashlars to worry about for the builder.
I disagree with your wording. 
 
It is our duty to SHOW them what Working Tools exist and what they can do to make a good man better WHEN USED. 
 
It is up to them to find 'em, pick 'em up and then use 'em 'til the Work is done.
 
The problem is most Brothers only know what the Working Tools are.  Very few Brothers know how to use them, what they actually do and what Transformations that can be expected when used properly.
I usually feel that my head is about to be bitten off by anyone who replies. I was pleasantly surprised.
 
I can say that my post was indeed wrong. I received instruction, however, I can do whatever I want with them (including never having or using them to begin with).
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Originally posted by coach coach wrote:

Originally posted by easttowesttoeast easttowesttoeast wrote:

... It is our duty to give them the tools, but not ours to work on their ashlar. We have our own ashlars to worry about for the builder.
I disagree with your wording. 
 
It is our duty to SHOW them what Working Tools exist and what they can do to make a good man better WHEN USED. 
 
It is up to them to find 'em, pick 'em up and then use 'em 'til the Work is done.
 
The problem is most Brothers only know what the Working Tools are.  Very few Brothers know how to use them, what they actually do and what Transformations that can be expected when used properly.
I usually feel that my head is about to be bitten off by anyone who replies. I was pleasantly surprised.
 
I can say that my post was indeed wrong. I received instruction, however, I can do whatever I want with them (including never having or using them to begin with).
I disagree with your wording.
 
Your post was not wrong.  It was inspiring!  Wink
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Pardon me if I'm wrong, but why are non masons posting in this thread?
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Originally posted by clamman clamman wrote:

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but why are non masons posting in this thread?

It's under "open discussions" - they may have valuable input, and this is not a tyled discussion.
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I don't see the open discussions thingy.  All I know is I'm reading it in the MM tyled area.  If they have access to this thread, don't they have access to the rest of the MM tyled threads?
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It's in both General Discussions and MM Tyled. I don't recall reading anything that should make it in the tyled area but it's up to an administrator.
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I don't see the open discussions thingy.  All I know is I'm reading it in the MM tyled area.  If they have access to this thread, don't they have access to the rest of the MM tyled threads?
 
No, they don't. This was a general announcement. You can find this thread at the top of anyone of the subforums.
 
I have no access to the tyled area and have no idea how to get their (don't care really either, I'm an FC).
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I agree with Coach and a couple of others above.  Freemasonry does not make a Mason better.  It can only lead a Mason to and show him the Light. What he does with the knowledge is up to him.   Freemasonry can only proved the tools, the Mason makes himself better.   ... However, a well trained Mentor can be essential to setting a new Mason on the right path to becoming better.

I also, saw this post when it was first made, but re-framed from replying to see what other member thought.
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Introspection is the best word I can use to describe how Freemasonry makes "Good Men" better.
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