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Just1flyguy
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Having my own experience with this kind of foolery, shouldn't this be against the law to mislead or misrepresent an organization? I'm very thankful I found this website as I would have been in error for a long time... I'm not a mason yet *I thought I was* but I'm determined to do it right!
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St. Matthews Lodge 906
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Cookslc
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In some jurisdictions an examining committee conducts the examination.
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G A Cook
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Just1flyguy
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Do you not trust they Tyler...or are you saying that you are going to examine a brother after the Tyler as well?
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Cookslc
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It is correct that in the U.S. Symbolic degrees there are only three. Remember, other Rites do have more.
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G A Cook
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BroScubaSteve
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Good job on their part. |
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WBScott
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I know this thread goes back over two years, but...
There is a serious flaw in your "research"! There are only THREE degrees is Freemasonry. There is no degree higher degree than Master Mason. There are apendant bodies that have up to 33 degrees, but they have no bearing in a Masonic lodge at all whatsoever.
Being nosey... how do you know you are not qualified?
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Warrior1256
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Same here. |
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St. Matthews Lodge 906
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Warrior1256
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Same here plus we have to recite the Tyler's Oath. |
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St. Matthews Lodge 906
Suburban Lodge 740 Shively-Lewis-Parkland 951 AASR, Orient of Kentucky, Valley of Louisville King Solomon Chapter 5 Louisville Council 4 North Central York Rite College 116 |
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ldarnell
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In our jurisdiction, you can be vouched for by a known lodge member who has sat with the visitor previously in a lodge and can verify they are a Freemason.
Otherwise, visitors are verified by the combination of the Tyler's Oath, a valid dues card (which here can be checked for forgery by its bar code/member ID on the GL website), and a committee of examination.
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Larry Darnell
Senior Steward, St. Charles Lodge #241 Missouri Lodge of Research #9998 I: 02 April 2013 P: 01 May 2013 R: 07 May 2013 |
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NewToLight84
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Would the system know that I was a real brother even if my Lodge is all the way in Nebraska. (Or any other lodge other than those not in California?)
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"Be careful how you live. You may be the only Mason some people will ever meet." -unknown
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rmcgehee
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In Calif. we have a computer system called Imember. The Secretary can check if someone has paid their dues and what Lodge they are from. There is also an examination that is called for if the person can't be vouched for.
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jdeal
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Seems like it would be a good idea to be able to quickly cross reference ones masonic identity.
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NewToLight84
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Me too...I think all the GL that fall under the GLNE need to have a computer system that has a data base that stores all of our info. including our numbers that are on our dues cards...or have a barcode on our cards that can be scanned..I'm sure I'm not the first one to think of this..it may even exist. Anyone heard of such a thing?
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"Be careful how you live. You may be the only Mason some people will ever meet." -unknown
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jdeal
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I have not been able to travel yet but I look forward to be examined for admission mainly out of curiosity...
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NewToLight84
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Not sure if anyone said this yet but...wouldn't it be terrible if he's gotten away with this for let's say YEARS!! And he has learned almost everything he would need to "pass" as a regular and true brother!!
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"Be careful how you live. You may be the only Mason some people will ever meet." -unknown
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scotladd
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I would think not. Logically, passports, documents, membership cards etc. etc. Can all be forged, and I would think doing so would not be that difficult. If challenged, the only way to gain admittance would be to show adequate knowledge...something that cannot be forged and can only be learned. All you would need to forge something would be a legit copy, which can be obtained, quite easily I would think, considering enough masonic paraphernalia is available these days on ebay and the like. To "forge" the needed knowledge to pass a challenge you would need to be taught, and such teachings are only going to come from one who is a true Freemason. Otherwise you would need to be self taught. Although there are copious amounts of information available on masonic history and such, the O&O is not something readily available, nor is the information needed to teach oneself how to pass a challenge. |
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Warrior1256
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I'm a new MM having been raised 04 Aug 14. I was cautioned early on by brothers not to just assume that someone is a Mason just because he is wearing a Masonic ring, shirt, etc. "Strict examination of lawful Masonic knowledge."
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St. Matthews Lodge 906
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GrimoireA3
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Please Note: I am not a Mason. And also, I am not an anti-Mason!
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Adept?
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Lol...old school... but i dont get it..
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"It is humanity that creates god, and men think that god has made them in his image, because they make him in theirs."
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Caution1010
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edwmax
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haha! ... No ... this isn't national Security; or Ship's security situation. And, to the well learned, the answers can be found. The only real problem are the Masons that might be suspended or expelled but still have a valid Dues Card for that year. |
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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."
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GrimoireA3
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Just a thought regarding security.
Does Freemasonry have an official 'cowan' who goes around to different Lodges to test their security?
While I was in the Navy and standing quarterdeck watches, the Navy would frequently send someone with a fake or altered I.D. to check the security of the quarterdeck. It struck me that Freemasonry might do the same thing to their Lodges, send an official 'cowan' who tries to infiltrate a Lodge meeting with fake credentials, to to keep the Tylers on their toes.
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Please Note: I am not a Mason. And also, I am not an anti-Mason!
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David N.
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I know this wasn't directed at me, but I'll chime in anyway
I too am Senior Deacon, and to answer your question, it depends on the Brother. There are many, many Brothers whom I trust implicitly. Because they are active and take Masonry seriously and are men I look up to regarding the Craft. I would take their word in a minute. But if, say, a Mason whom I know hasn't been to Lodge in years (or decades) shows up because his 2nd cousin twice removed is being Initiated, I wouldn't take his word for someone accompanying him who is unknown to me. At the very least I would quietly seek confirmation from others that I knew well. *Edit: Meant to quote Droche.
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droche
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That is as it should be. One question though, it wasn't too clear in your post- if a Brother you knew to be a Mason in good standing were to vouch for a visitor would you still examine him?
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simple man
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I am S.D. in one of my Lodges and If I do not know you you will be examined. Sorry but my Fraternity means a lot to me and no cowans I hope do not gain admittance.
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NobleShabba
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What makes you say that? Edited by NobleShabba - May/30/2014 at 8:47am |
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GrimoireA3
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Hi Bellboy,
Thank you. Interesting and civilized.
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GrimoireA3
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Hi NobleShabba, Actually it was a sincere question?[/QUOTE] Ok, sincere answer. We have significant restrictions on sharing content of our ritualistic work. That's a private item, and there is an EASY way for the sincere person to learn. Rest assured that if you choose to join our ranks there will be nothing asked of you that will violate your obligations to your Country, your Family or your Deity. Now you might say "but I can research it and find it on the internet" - well we cant help that - however we will neither confirm nor deny the accuracy of what you do find on the internet. There are secrets within our gentle and beautiful craft, but the discovery of those secrets are part of the journey. A good secret is not what is revealed when you acquire the box, its what is revealed when you touch what is inside the box. Researching the facts might get you a look at the box, it may POTENTIALLY get you a peek inside the box, but to touch, you need to join. ----------- PS: An example is like marriage. You can "shack up" as much as you want or watch all the Ozzie and Harriet, Honeymooners, Married with Children and Cosby Shows you want - but nothing is the same as actually being married.[/QUOTE] Hi NobleShabba, Thank you for that excellent response! That did answer my question. If it sounded like I was trying to pry open secrets then I apologize for the naivete' of my line of questioning: that is my MA in History kicking in. Ironically if I did become a Freemason then I would not be asking these questions. But unfortunately I am not qualified in the remotest (?) to become a Mason. And again I really appreciate your patience in putting up with all my questions.
The several Tyler's Oaths which I have come across are fascinating - hence the enthusiasm of my questioning. Thanks!
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NobleShabba
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Ok, sincere answer. We have significant restrictions on sharing content of our ritualistic work. That's a private item, and there is an EASY way for the sincere person to learn. Rest assured that if you choose to join our ranks there will be nothing asked of you that will violate your obligations to your Country, your Family or your Deity. Now you might say "but I can research it and find it on the internet" - well we cant help that - however we will neither confirm nor deny the accuracy of what you do find on the internet. There are secrets within our gentle and beautiful craft, but the discovery of those secrets are part of the journey. A good secret is not what is revealed when you acquire the box, its what is revealed when you touch what is inside the box. Researching the facts might get you a look at the box, it may POTENTIALLY get you a peek inside the box, but to touch, you need to join. ----------- PS: An example is like marriage. You can "shack up" as much as you want or watch all the Ozzie and Harriet, Honeymooners, Married with Children and Cosby Shows you want - but nothing is the same as actually being married. Edited by NobleShabba - May/29/2014 at 6:55am |
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Adept?
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In many states it is a violation of the law to pose as a freemason if you are not one. If i were in a lodge and a non mason was found to be present, i would push for formal trespassing charges to be filed.
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As long as a lodge operates effectively, a cowan wouldn't sit in an open lodge in the first place. I imagine IF someone were to thwart detection before lodge were opened and they were found out, they would be escorted out and the meeting would continue. I imagine followed shortly by a stern discussion with who was supposed to watch the door and verify visitors.
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GrimoireA3
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Question:
When a Cowan is actually discovered attending a meeting in full swing, exactly how is the Cowan removed? HEY, there's a fake sitting here? Does he get Hoodwinked and dragged through the streets? Do charges get pressed for trespassing?
What is the official Masonic policy for expulsing a discovered Cowan in mid-session??
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GrimoireA3
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Actually it was a sincere question?
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GrimoireA3
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Please note -- I am not a Mason:
Yes, it was suggested by some of the Masons on this forum that I write that I am not a Mason in my signature state rather than write it at the beginning of every sentence.
I do not want any misunderstandings.
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Adept?
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Ha! Yea really... his signature state; Please Note: I am not a Mason.
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"It is humanity that creates god, and men think that god has made them in his image, because they make him in theirs."
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NobleShabba
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Nice try... :) |
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jdwalker519
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In my jurisdiction, we're not required to memorize the Tyler's Oath. The Tyler administers the oath to the brother just as when you're getting sworn in to an office... you know, the "Repeat after me: I <state your name>"...etc.....
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J.D. Walker
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NobleShabba
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In every state, the police are required to enforce the law, however in the different parts of the same state may have behaviors peculiar to the police in that area. Some may be very strict on speeding, others not. Others would want to impound your vehicle for the minimum offence, while others may be cool with a warning. My point is even where you expect consistency you will experience variances, but that is not to imply that the standards are not there.
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log cabin Bill
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In my jurisdiction of PA, the only way for an unvouched for visitor to gain admission is to present a current dues card from a recognized lodge and then go through our process of the examination of a visitor.
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edwmax
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It is up to the examining committee ... we are taught that a Tyler's oath and current card is sufficient.
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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."
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droche
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I was always under the impression that both a current dues card and an examination was necessary to gain admission to a lodge if one was not vouched for. I have to admit though a couple of lodges I visited just gave me a cursory examination and I was left shaking my head asking do they really want to let me in just based on that?
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edwmax
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I would say 'it could be' ... Some examining Committees will still test you even with a current dues card. it is up to them.
The unique thing is my Passport, it has page where the Lodge Secretary attest the Mason is in good Standing and the home Lodge seal. Most other Passports do not. Thus it can be considered as 'Lawful Information'; and other Lodge Seals ... vouchers ... |
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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."
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droche
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So would you say that a Masonic Passport and a current dues card would be sufficient in order to gain admission into a lodge?
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js584
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well put LOL
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edwmax
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Actually, I did visit one Lodge where the SD looked at my Passport, then asked 'you've been in all these Lodges?" ... Yep ... The SD than stated he was satisfied. One ... he had been in several of those Lodges himself. Two ... he knew they either tried me or I was vouched for, but I would not have been admitted otherwise. |
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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."
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NobleShabba
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As long as its between us - it involves a right hand extended, then pulled back, the hand is extended again, then that hand is moved about in a shaking action. Then a peculiar action called a Hokie Pokie is demonstrated, followed by a 360 degree turn. And that's what its all about. :) Edited by NobleShabba - May/12/2014 at 10:36am |
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droche
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(Laughing) I can tell by your winking emoticon that you don't expect me to tell you those procedures.
They are, of course, one of the things restricted to members only. Sorry.
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