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    Posted: September/09/2014 at 6:02pm
We have had two new brothers initiated and they have not returned to start work on there proficiency. We have reached out to them and no return. It is very disheartening to see a newly initiated brother. Not return after receiving there catechism book and some initial instruction. Sadly we ha a brother return his catechism book via mail with a letter stating he could not memorize and or learn the work. So we reached back out to him and he declined. Being on a few ICs I feel as though we should turkey mention there will be some learning/memorization work needed and I form them of the classes we conduct. Thoughts?
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Jdeal,
I agree completely. Advise all prospectives that an obligation must be memorized.   Unless a candidate has been involved in DeMolay or has had a relative in Masonry, they have no idea of the commitment involved to the memory work.  My lodge put four men through the EA last year and only one has been raised!
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Does your lodge use a coded sypher for candidates, or is it writen out so they can read and study it on their own? I have an FC brother and co-worker who was having trouble even reading his study material because it was in code, and no one told him he was suppose to be learning it with the assistance of his sponsor, or another member of his lodge. He was under the impression that he was suppose to try and decode it and learn it on his own. I showed him our grand lodge website, and some free pdf downloadable material that would help him study, and to his delight is writen in plain english...not sypher. I also told him to contact his sponsor and simply ask for some help. I mean honestly...how is a brother to study his assigned material if it is syphered and designed only to be read by those who already know what it says? Hell, sometimes i have trouble with something i havnt read in a while even knowing what it says.
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Boy, I wish we had a cypher book!  Everything is mouth to ear in Virginia.  My teacher spent one hour a day for 90 days with me teaching the EA and FC obligations.  I must admit that the FC was much easier to learn after I had mastered the EA.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Warrior1256 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/10/2014 at 9:52am
Luckily I went into Masonry knowing that there was quite a bit of memorization required so I was as prepared as possible. However, some potential candidates don't know this so they should be forewarned.
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It's from a cypher book. I as well knew there would be memory work and a initial time investment with plenty of time from the instructors and ALOT of patience it can be done as we all know. Just a thought me and another brother were talking about it as I was coaching him on his MM proficiency.
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These types of classes require mentors and teachers along with the candidates. If they are trying to figure it out themselves then of course expect them to get discouraged.
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In Nebraska there is a great booklet handed out. It contains information about the meanings of symbols for that degree only and history about Masonary. It also has the Q&A cyphered in it to help with being proved up. You get a seperate one for EA, FC and MM.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aogop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/11/2014 at 8:21pm
My first thought was whether or not these things were explained to them during their investigation,and knew from the beginning what demands would be made of them in order to advance.
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Good question aogop..
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Originally posted by NewToLight84 NewToLight84 wrote:

In Nebraska there is a great booklet handed out. It contains information about the meanings of symbols for that degree only and history about Masonary. It also has the Q&A cyphered in it to help with being proved up. You get a seperate one for EA, FC and MM.


We get the same books in Virginia but without the cyphers.  I just found my Dad's EA, FC and MM books from Anthony Lodge in Springfield, Ohio where he was raised in 1951..   They are the same as the ones in Virginia.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Warrior1256 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/13/2014 at 5:08pm
Originally posted by aogop aogop wrote:

My first thought was whether or not these things were explained to them during their investigation,and knew from the beginning what demands would be made of them in order to advance.

Good point. If not it should be.
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Everyone seeks the light at their own pace.   When I was initiated a couple of years ago, it was a double-header degree, with two candidates.  I went first, and wound up getting my master's degree 61 days later.   The other fellow was the Master's nephew, who came back once about three weeks later for a session of lecturing, and hasn't been seen since.  

And some of us may decide that Masonry isn't what they thought it was, for whatever reason, and may drop out somewhere along the rough and rocky road.  It is "of our own free will and accord" that we seek each degree.  The first one is essentially a "gimme," but all the others require a degree of effort and determination to achieve.  So, the process itself serves as a bit of winnowing for those who may not have the fortitude to see the road to its various checkpoints, much less its end.


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Well put.
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Originally posted by Squeek49 Squeek49 wrote:

Boy, I wish we had a cypher book!  Everything is mouth to ear in Virginia.  My teacher spent one hour a day for 90 days with me teaching the EA and FC obligations.  I must admit that the FC was much easier to learn after I had mastered the EA.

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NobleShabba said, "And do you still have a bond with your teacher?"

I see your point NobleShabba.  And a good point it is!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NobleShabba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September/17/2014 at 2:25pm
Originally posted by Squeek49 Squeek49 wrote:

NobleShabba said, "And do you still have a bond with your teacher?"

I see your point NobleShabba.  And a good point it is!


Glad you caught that, because we miss sometimes how good and how pleasant it can be when brothers build that kind of relationship. After all, great relationships are a key ingredient in promoting harmony in all institutions, especially this of ours.
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