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    Posted: September/03/2015 at 11:35pm
Please qualify your answer!  I think it would be interesting to know why or why not, or under what conditions people keep their Freemasonry under wraps.
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I've never tried to hide it. On the contrary...I'm very proud of my membership. I have a hat, 3 different rings, a necklace, 4 t-shirts, 4-sweat shirts, a 32° tattoo on my left forearm, 4 emblems on the tailgate of my truck, and a 2B1ask1 bumper sticker. Oh, and there are emblems on my wife's vehicle also.

Why would anyone want to hide their membership?
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I wear Masonic jewelry, a belt, and a ring.  When asked or when appropriate, I will always tell someone I am a Mason.

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62 views, 5 responses, 1 being my own.

Are there any Masonic forums with members who participate more actively?  sheesh.
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Every time someone views the thread it is counted.  I myself have viewed this thread 3 or 4 times, and they all count.  Every time YOU view it.. it counts.  Also, keep in mind that some of the views may be from guests, who are not registered forum members and can't post.  So the view count is not how many individuals have viewed it, but how many times it has been viewed total, even if it is just one person viewing it 20 times a day.
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Originally posted by lightbound lightbound wrote:

62 views, 5 responses, 1 being my own.

Are there any Masonic forums with members who participate more actively?  sheesh.

With all due respect...

The tiler guards the outer door to prevent cowans and eavesdroppers from coming in, but I am sure he more than happy to let you out so you can continue your quest for other Masonic fora where they participate more actively since this one does not seem to satisfy you.

Sheesh!


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hey hey!  wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers...was a little dismayed by the number of views vs. replies on this (and most other) posts here.  Adept did a good job explaining that views doesn't represent the number of distinct individuals who have viewed it, which makes perfect sense.

To answer the question "who would hide it?":  I had read in another thread that the older folks in some Lodges were against Masonic apparel, rings, etc., and thought that a poll might draw out some of those people and help me understand their ways of thinking.  I realize historical (and maybe current?) anti-Masonic sentiment is probably what's behind it all, but there might be other considerations. 
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Originally posted by lightbound lightbound wrote:

62 views, 5 responses, 1 being my own.

Are there any Masonic forums with members who participate more actively?  sheesh.
57 who do keep their involvement in the fraternity secret!

I did not tell my closest friends until recently.

Before that it was my Wife, Mother, In-Laws, sister and her husband and only because her husband's dad is a PM and he wrote one of my letter of recommendation for me.

I can probably still count on one hand who knows I'm a Freemason who are not already masons themselves.

I've heard horror stories of a friend who I now can call a brother having his sister-in-law not wanting to have anything to do with him because she thinks he worships the devil. It is one thing to read that stuff on line but hearing about it first hand makes more than a 'passing' anecdote to shrug aside.

So, I wear a ring and if someone asks I will not deny it. However I do not go out of my way to bring attention to myself. I am thinking about putting an emblem on my vehicle though. I just have to either learn to slow down or put the emblem on and force myself to slow down.

I'd have to abstain from the poll because I wear a ring in public along with a key chain fob. I'd vote guarded, cautious


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In my Lodge, we are active in the community and one of the things we do is assist
the Boosters club.  At one of the high schools, we grill food for the athletic events, and we always wear our Lodge hats and polo shirts, and we have gained some very nice recognition because of that.
 
I do not flaunt my membership, nor do I flaunt any other group or activity I am involved in, but I will always acknowledge my affiliation with that group if I am asked.
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Originally posted by lightbound lightbound wrote:

...To answer the question "who would hide it?": ...

There are quite a few other considerations. Some cultures, religions, countries, etc. are hostile toward even those who are relatives to Freemasons. Hiding Freemasonic associations is a time honored tradition, especially when such associations can bring discrimination and even death. Even in the USA, there are groups hostile toward FMs and associated family members and friends. I have close friends who would have to deal with open hostility toward themselves and their loved ones from their surrounding culture should they even broach the topic.

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Originally posted by lightbound lightbound wrote:

To answer the question "who would hide it?":  I had read in another thread that the older folks in some Lodges were against Masonic apparel, rings, etc., and thought that a poll might draw out some of those people and help me understand their ways of thinking.  I realize historical (and maybe current?) anti-Masonic sentiment is probably what's behind it all, but there might be other considerations. 

However....

You also have to consider that there are probably quite a few of  those "older folks" who do not take advantage of things like blogs, forums, Google® and resources like that that we take for granted. So unless you talk to them in person, you are not very likely to get very accurate results on this, or any other forum.

OTOH...

When my lodges do something noteworthy, in addition to sending in a brief article and a picture to our Grand Lodge's quarterly magazine, we also send a "press release" to the local newspaper. We want people to know what goes on in that unassuming 2-story building next to the hardware store across from the railroad tracks!

But also...

I don't wear my Masonic ring (or other outward symbols) while at work for two reasons:
1) As far as the ring itself, I work on sensitive electronic equipment and it could possibly interfere when I have to get into the "guts" of the equipment. (I do wear my wedding ring, but it is a band on my ring finger and has no protrusions that could get in the way)
2) My work often takes me into churches, many of them Catholic, and I don't want to do anything that could possibly offend my customers or reflect negatively on my company.


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Originally posted by BroScubaSteve BroScubaSteve wrote:

I am thinking about putting an emblem on my vehicle though. I just have to either learn to slow down or put the emblem on and force myself to slow down.

Go for it!


As far as slowing down... 

Remember that we all must practice "subduing our passions"!

But then again...

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A little off-topic, but I found this recently and think it's worth sharing!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libert%C3%A9_ch%C3%A9rie
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Off topic indeed, but interesting none the less. Thank you for sharing it.

Back to the topic of the thread, and more or less answering my own question....   

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_Freemasonry

Most are familiar with Catholicisms hostility toward Freemasonry, and it's ban on it's members joining under penalty of excommunication. I believe most are also familiar with the ban by some middle east and Islamic countries for similar reasons. I was unaware of the past ban by some European countries. I believe most, if not all of those bans have been done away with, but I can understand why some Brothers may want to hide or keep secret their membership for fear of persecution, and in some countries even prosecution, with penalties of imprisonment and even death.

Sad to think that as a society, and a human race; that some cultures, or certain groups of people still have not risen above the persecution of others who think or believe differently than they do. When will we all live and let live...?

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i think i connected the story to the thread by thinking ab the point you just made, adept!  theres lots of interesting stuff in that article you linked to...thanks!
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Originally posted by Adept? Adept? wrote:

Back to the topic of the thread, and more or less answering my own question....   

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_Freemasonry

Most are familiar with Catholicisms hostility toward Freemasonry, and it's ban on it's members joining under penalty of excommunication. I believe most are also familiar with the ban by some middle east and Islamic countries for similar reasons. I was unaware of the past ban by some European countries
 
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A very interesting and informative read. thank you.
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Originally posted by WBScott WBScott wrote:

Originally posted by lightbound lightbound wrote:

62 views, 5 responses, 1 being my own.

Are there any Masonic forums with members who participate more actively?  sheesh.

With all due respect...

The tiler guards the outer door to prevent cowans and eavesdroppers from coming in, but I am sure he more than happy to let you out so you can continue your quest for other Masonic fora where they participate more actively since this one does not seem to satisfy you.

Sheesh!


This is an open forum for all Masons and NON-Masons.     From the count, I would expect approximately 50 to 54 of the views were by 'search bots'.

To the topic of the thread    ... no I don't hide my being a Freemason.  I have no reason to.    But, some other Freemasons might.
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I am not one to hide my membership.  I have an emblem on my truck and I sometimes wear masonic apparel. I also have a ring on most of the time.  
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I travel in foreign countries and often don't know how the Fraternity is perceived there. For example, after the Grande Loge National de France regained recognition I visited the Provincial Grand Lodge building for Brittany. They keep their membership highly secret. I did not see a single ring or car badge. If fact, I was a bit confused when I arrived at the Provincial Grand Lodge building as it had no markings visible from the street, not even on the mailbox. All that was visible was the number 7 on the door. 

I have travelled to Israel and may be going to Saudi Arabia soon. Israel was not a problem but Freemasonry is not usually allowed in Islamic countries. I'll have to be careful. 


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Does being a Master Mason have a place on a CV?  It seems like it should.
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Well what is a CV???
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Originally posted by Adept? Adept? wrote:

Well what is a CV???


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curriculum_vitae

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Oh ok. Thanks Coach!

Well then I suppose my answer would be yes. I've certainly listed my affiliation with the craft on applications in the past. As a matter of fact, some agencies specifically ask about civic group affiliation on their applications.
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I am very proud of my Masonic membership and never hide it. I have a Masonic ring that I always wear and have golf shirts with the S&C that I wear frequently.
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Originally posted by lightbound lightbound wrote:

Does being a Master Mason have a place on a CV?  It seems like it should.


A CV is usually tailored to specific jobs/positions so the only thing that should go on a CV is information relevant to the job/position you are interested in. NOT saying you should be ashamed of your membership but people who might review your CV only want to see specific info. Mentioning Masonic membership is better suited for a resume.
   
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CV: in my view, for a professional CV, no. I don't mean this as harshly as it reads, but being a Mason per se really doesn't mean anything. Now, if you do something with it, that may mean something.

I have different CV's: professional, Scottish cultural, Masonic. I do have a few references in my Scottish CV.
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In many countries freemasonry is either illegal or misunderstood.

I lived in Saudi arabia. And all masons keep identity secret. I do not display any light in. That country

Also France is very discreet and you will almost never see any light displayed. Even on masonic buildings

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I always mention fm on my phone resume and cv.   Many firms value applicants who have experience with non profit organizations.
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I always mention fm on my phone resume and cv.   Many firms value applicants who have experience with non profit organizations.
Good point. Hadn't thought of that.
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