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GrimoireA3
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 11:13am |
coach wrote:
GrimoireA3 wrote:
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coach wrote:
Yet, it occurs within the faith and does so daily. |
Not in the Western Rite Catholic Church it doesn't!
Adept? wrote:
Idol worship (depending on which definition you use) would fit catholicism perfectly in my opinion. |
The opinion of a non-Catholic with obvious biases and a questionable command of comparative religion? |
coach wrote:
Invalid invalidation. |
Coach! - shame on you!! Tsk Tsk, you did not recognize the 'argumentum ad absurdum' refutation? You lose 2 pts.
Adept? wrote:
What with all their saints (some prayed to in place of god or jesus) |
NOPE, never. No, the saints are not part of the Holy Trinity, therefore no Catholic puts the saints in place of Jesus or God himself. I consider that slanderous. |
coach wrote:
So, by calling them saints, and not minor-gods, that invalidates the claim? |
Minor Gods??? Coach, I question your knowledge of Catholicism. I question your knowledge of the beatification process. The Catholic Church has never ever ever even suggested that any saint ever approached godhood. The closest synonym for a saint might be a hero, but never a minor-god. -10 pts.
Adept? wrote:
and the "virgin" mary (almost explicitly prayed to before god or jesus) hence the term "hail mary" |
Again, NOPE, Total misinterpretation. The mother of God is rightfully venerated, but Mary is also not part of the Holy Trinity therefore no Catholic puts her before the father, son, or the holy ghost. |
coach wrote:
So, praying to an entity outside the HT is okay and not a sign of idolatry? |
NOPE! - Coach, you claimed to have been a Catholic so you should know the answer to that: Praying to something does not connote idolatry since the Catholic Church teaches against idolatry (and some have paid the ultimate price of heresy for doing so). How is venerating the mother of God or of a saint an instance of idolatry merely by praying??
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Catholicism, at the very least, borders on what could very easily be viewed as poly-theism. |
Hardly. The triune God is one. The concept of the Trinity was the result of 500 years of Catholic participation in the Great Medieval debates [the theists vs. the atheists] on the attributes of God, and the Trinity is an advanced concept not commonly understood by non-Roman catholics. Catholicism is also accepted as one of the world's monotheistic religions. |
coach wrote:
With a host of saints, not minor-gods, all who one can pray to for whatever their specialty is? | Whaaaaa??? That ungrammatical non-sentence totally lacks clarity and rigour ["....., all who one can pray to for whatever their specialty is?"] come on coach? Could you please re-phrase that so it makes sense???
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GrimoireA3
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Points: 625
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 11:24am |
coach wrote:
If you want to understand, you best examine your claim in light of the faith itself. |
Exactly as I have been maintaining. The Catholic Church frowns on idol worship and always has for the past 2016 years of its existence. No practicing Roman Catholic (Western Rite Catholic or Eastern Rite Catholic) believes in idols, as instructed by the Catholic faith.
coach wrote:
Idols do exist. |
That's a 'Truism'(i.e. pointless fact) - so what's your point?? The Catholic faith acknowledges the existence of idols and of idol worship and has always 'frowned' on it (inquisitions, excommunications, banishments, etc.).
coach wrote:
RCs are asked to not worship false idols. |
No kidding? Actually RCs are ordered by the Magisterium not to worship 'any' idol, true or false.
coach wrote:
However, I can tell you that there are many within the RC faith who worship idols within the RC everyday practices believing them to be not false. |
Which only means they are not in commune with the Catholic faith and are not true Catholics - so what's your point?
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 11:29am |
droche wrote:
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droche wrote:
You asked does something else substitute for a soul- mind, life force, metabolism... If these are substitutes for a soul, then does that not mean that these too are essentially the soul, so it would be merely a question of semantics? If not, I would have to ask, like Coach, what is your definition of "soul"? |
Hi droche,
If something is substituted, then there is an exchange of something different, not equal.
So if the soul is substituted, then there is no soul. An ersatzsoul is not a soul, but something else. |
[QUOTE=droche]I would say regardless what you call it, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck... you know the rest. |
{just a quick digression}:Yes, I do know the rest: "if it looks like a duck...etc." is the problem of induction - is it not? Just because it looks like a duck, and waddles like a duck, and so on, does not mean its a duck! Just a quick criticism of the obvious problem of induction. Sorry for this minor digression.
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coach
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 12:23pm |
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coach
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 12:33pm |
GrimoireA3 wrote:
coach wrote:
GrimoireA3 wrote:
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coach wrote:
Yet, it occurs within the faith and does so daily. |
Not in the Western Rite Catholic Church it doesn't!
Adept? wrote:
Idol worship (depending on which definition you use) would fit catholicism perfectly in my opinion. |
The opinion of a non-Catholic with obvious biases and a questionable command of comparative religion? |
coach wrote:
Invalid invalidation. |
Coach! - shame on you!! Tsk Tsk, you did not recognize the 'argumentum ad absurdum' refutation? You lose 2 pts.
Adept? wrote:
What with all their saints (some prayed to in place of god or jesus) |
NOPE, never. No, the saints are not part of the Holy Trinity, therefore no Catholic puts the saints in place of Jesus or God himself. I consider that slanderous. |
coach wrote:
So, by calling them saints, and not minor-gods, that invalidates the claim? |
Minor Gods??? Coach, I question your knowledge of Catholicism. I question your knowledge of the beatification process. The Catholic Church has never ever ever even suggested that any saint ever approached godhood. The closest synonym for a saint might be a hero, but never a minor-god. -10 pts.
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and the "virgin" mary (almost explicitly prayed to before god or jesus) hence the term "hail mary" |
Again, NOPE, Total misinterpretation. The mother of God is rightfully venerated, but Mary is also not part of the Holy Trinity therefore no Catholic puts her before the father, son, or the holy ghost. |
coach wrote:
So, praying to an entity outside the HT is okay and not a sign of idolatry? |
NOPE! - Coach, you claimed to have been a Catholic so you should know the answer to that: Praying to something does not connote idolatry since the Catholic Church teaches against idolatry (and some have paid the ultimate price of heresy for doing so). How is venerating the mother of God or of a saint an instance of idolatry merely by praying??
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Adept? wrote:
Catholicism, at the very least, borders on what could very easily be viewed as poly-theism. |
Hardly. The triune God is one. The concept of the Trinity was the result of 500 years of Catholic participation in the Great Medieval debates [the theists vs. the atheists] on the attributes of God, and the Trinity is an advanced concept not commonly understood by non-Roman catholics. Catholicism is also accepted as one of the world's monotheistic religions. |
coach wrote:
With a host of saints, not minor-gods, all who one can pray to for whatever their specialty is? |
Whaaaaa??? That ungrammatical non-sentence totally lacks clarity and rigour ["....., all who one can pray to for whatever their specialty is?"] come on coach? Could you please re-phrase that so it makes sense??? | When you learn to quote so that what you post makes sense, I'll respond. Until then, I'll use your word to label your post: Obtuse. In the meantime, I shall move on.
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coach
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 12:59pm |
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BroScubaSteve
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 1:27pm |
Is this merry-go-round over yet?
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coach
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 2:04pm |
BroScubaSteve wrote:
Is this merry-go-round over yet? | Sure wish it were.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 5:23pm |
BroScubaSteve wrote:
Is this merry-go-round over yet?
| Hardly a merry-go-round since these forums are setup for rebuttal with 'quote' buttons available. Besides, how is one to correct coach's misconceptions about the Roman Catholic Church (western rite) unless you make a rebuttal? Meanwhile the topic question remains unanswered.
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Adept?
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Posted: August/31/2016 at 7:42pm |
GrimoireA3 wrote:
Meanwhile the topic question remains unanswered. | I'm beginning to think that has been your intention all along... Create a topic, ask a question that can only really be answered with opinion (since there is no way to collect empirical data on the subject) and debate tediously until everyone is tired of it.
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"It is humanity that creates god, and men think that god has made them in his image, because they make him in theirs."
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coach
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 6:25am |
GrimoireA3 wrote:
...Meanwhile the topic question remains unanswered. | You have no one but yourself to blame. The topic question was legitimately questioned and you remain steadfast in not addressing the legitimate question that prevents your topic question from being addressed properly. BTW - It's a troll's move to complain about lack of forward momentum when you're the one sabotaging forward momentum.
You want movement? Clarify the topic question and answer it yourself.
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coach
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 6:29am |
Adept? wrote:
GrimoireA3 wrote:
Meanwhile the topic question remains unanswered. |
I'm beginning to think that has been your intention all along...
Create a topic, ask a question that can only really be answered with opinion (since there is no way to collect empirical data on the subject) and debate tediously until everyone is tired of it. | Although I agree with your assessment of his intention, Empirical data can be collected, but only after the subject of study is clearly identified. That latter part has yet to be done. So, nothing can be said specifically as to what is behind the curtain since the curtain remains in place.... and I believe this is purposeful.
Edited by coach - September/01/2016 at 6:30am
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 8:24am |
coach wrote:
The topic question was legitimately questioned and you remain steadfast in not addressing the legitimate question that prevents your topic question from being addressed properly.
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But not legitimately answered.
Gentlemen, if you don't know the answer to a question, just admit it.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 8:26am |
Adept? wrote:
GrimoireA3 wrote:
Meanwhile the topic question remains unanswered. |
I'm beginning to think that has been your intention all along...
Create a topic, ask a question that can only really be answered with opinion (since there is no way to collect empirical data on the subject) and debate tediously until everyone is tired of it. |
Adept?,
Consider this as constructive criticism only, you used the Lawyer's fallacy of Making the case fit the facts - that is, you are rationalizing.
If you don't understand the question, or if you don't know the answer - just admit it without all the prevarications. Remember: Equivocation is not Elucidation!
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 8:35am |
coach wrote:
Apparently it was obtuse enough for you to look up the Baconian Idols and start a new thread on one of them. |
Yes, I looked up Baconian Idols on Wikipedia and got the standard lame, vague, and superficial definitions wiki is noted for.
So then I placed the question on this forum hoping for an an intelligent and expert opinion on the subject of Baconian Idols yet all I got was a lame-o, vague and nebulous Wikipedia explanation. What gives?
But that's O.K., Amazon.com provided an insightful and clear explanation of Bacon's empiricism.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 9:02am |
FYI: There is a religion that believes there is NO soul: Homaranismo from the 19th century. (The name is spelled in Esperanto).
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coach
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 9:44am |
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Adept?
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 10:34am |
GrimoireA3 wrote:
...especially when no one seems to know the answer or admit they don't know?? | Including yourself in that? You've been asked multiple times by multiple people to clarify the subject, and have yet to do so.
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"It is humanity that creates god, and men think that god has made them in his image, because they make him in theirs."
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coach
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 10:49am |
Adept? wrote:
GrimoireA3 wrote:
...especially when no one seems to know the answer or admit they don't know?? |
Including yourself in that? You've been asked multiple times by multiple people to clarify the subject, and have yet to do so. | Top Ten Unanswered Thread Questions:1) How is the word "soul" being defined by the original poster? 2) How is the word "immortality" being defined by the original poster? 3) Why are the answers to these two questions not important enough to be provided by the original poster? 4) Does anyone really care about any of this at this point? 5) If all the experts agree, why is any of this even being discussed? 6) Why would expert agreement be even tendered as part of the conversation? 7) Why is wiki important enough to bash? 8) Do trolls have souls? 9) If trolls had souls, would that mean that they could be immortal? 10) If a troll wanted to know if he had a soul, how would he empirically test for it?
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Adept?
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Posted: September/01/2016 at 12:41pm |
coach wrote:
Top Ten Unanswered Thread Questions: 1) How is the word "soul" being defined by the original poster? 2) How is the word "immortality" being defined by the original poster? 3) Why are the answers to these two questions not important enough to be provided by the original poster? 4) Does anyone really care about any of this at this point? 5) If all the experts agree, why is any of this even being discussed? 6) Why would expert agreement be even tendered as part of the conversation? 7) Why is wiki important enough to bash? 8) Do trolls have souls? 9) If trolls had souls, would that mean that they could be immortal? 10) If a troll wanted to know if he had a soul, how would he empirically test for it? |
LOL! Love it!
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"It is humanity that creates god, and men think that god has made them in his image, because they make him in theirs."
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Adept?
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 4:50am |
gromoirea3 wrote:
is immortality possible if man has no soul? |
As I've defined "soul/spirit" in the other thread, no immortality is not possible in that sense. We die, all our organs shut down, including the brain, and our conciseness contained within it, or powered by it, and we cease to exist. Immortality is only possible through our works in life, and the impact those works had on society and those around us. The memory of which contained in others and passed on to others is the only way to be immortal, but only in the metaphysical sense.
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"It is humanity that creates god, and men think that god has made them in his image, because they make him in theirs."
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 9:16am |
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 9:19am |
Adept? wrote:
gromoirea3 wrote:
is immortality possible if man has no soul? |
As I've defined "soul/spirit" in the other thread, no immortality is not possible in that sense. We die, all our organs shut down, including the brain, and our conciseness contained within it, or powered by it, and we cease to exist. Immortality is only possible through our works in life, and the impact those works had on society and those around us. The memory of which contained in others and passed on to others is the only way to be immortal, but only in the metaphysical sense. |
P.S. Thank you for directing your answer to the topic question and not avoiding it.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 9:36am |
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coach
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 10:08am |
... Memory is a non-tangible element, an abstraction with no physical or corporeal presence. ... | LOL! I'd like to see this guy explain Hard Drive Crashes and Flash Drive failures. Both are PHYSICAL MEMORIES and very tangible.
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coach
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 10:10am |
GrimoireA3 wrote:
PUH-LEASE STOP HIJACKING MY THREAD WITH YOUR OWN QUESTIONS. Stop demanding I answer your question within my own topic thread. Please just answer the topic question without inserting your own. If you need to take over somebody elses topic, please just start your own. Thank you! | And a quick follow up... 11) When will the whining end?
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 10:29am |
coach wrote:
GrimoireA3 wrote:
PUH-LEASE STOP HIJACKING MY THREAD WITH YOUR OWN QUESTIONS. Stop demanding I answer your question within my own topic thread. Please just answer the topic question without inserting your own. If you need to take over somebody elses topic, please just start your own. Thank you! |
And a quick follow up...
11) When will the whining end? | When you act your age and give mature reasonable answers to valid and sincere questions.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 10:31am |
coach wrote:
... Memory is a non-tangible element, an abstraction with no physical or corporeal presence. ... |
LOL! I'd like to see this guy explain Hard Drive Crashes and Flash Drive failures. Both are PHYSICAL MEMORIES and very tangible.
| You do realize that you used a sentence fragment out of context?
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 10:38am |
Adept? wrote:
GrimoireA3 wrote:
...especially when no one seems to know the answer or admit they don't know?? |
Including yourself in that? You've been asked multiple times by multiple people to clarify the subject, and have yet to do so. | Nobody has asked me to clarify ANYTHING. Everybody has demanded that I define everything, and very few have actually answered the topic question. In fact I have gone out of my way to clarify my position several times without being asked. I am asking a QUESTION - which is a request for an answer. If I could answer my own question then I wouldn't have to ask it in the first place. And it is the policy of the History graduate degree (which I possess) that if you don't know, you say so!! That is a matter of professional decorum. So again, as Professors demand in college, if you don't know the answer or if you don't understand the question - just admit it. 'Alle is Klar'?
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coach
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Posted: September/02/2016 at 11:01am |
If Grimoire claims:
GrimoireA3 wrote:
Nobody has asked me to clarify ANYTHING. |
And, someone has already asked for exactly that:
coach wrote:
You want movement? Clarify the topic question and answer it yourself. | Than: Grimoire's claim is questionable.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/03/2016 at 10:24am |
coach wrote:
You want movement? Clarify the topic question and answer it yourself. |
What part of "Is Immortality possible if man has no soul?" don't you understand? How much more simple a question can be posed? Please just answer the question without inserting your own question to hijack the thread and prove yourself a psuedointellectual. If you don't know the answer just say so.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/03/2016 at 10:28am |
coach wrote:
Top Ten Unanswered Thread Questions: 1) How is the word "soul" being defined by the original poster? 2) How is the word "immortality" being defined by the original poster? 3) Why are the answers to these two questions not important enough to be provided by the original poster? 4) Does anyone really care about any of this at this point? 5) If all the experts agree, why is any of this even being discussed? 6) Why would expert agreement be even tendered as part of the conversation? 7) Why is wiki important enough to bash? 8) Do trolls have souls? 9) If trolls had souls, would that mean that they could be immortal? 10) If a troll wanted to know if he had a soul, how would he empirically test for it? |
Don't ridicule what you don't understand! - invective is the last resort of the lout! If you don't have a college level understanding of logical analysis or systems of reasoning, then don't make a fool of yourself by ridiculing what you obvious do not understand like a child.
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Posted: September/03/2016 at 11:36am |
GrimoireA3 wrote:
coach wrote:
You want movement? Clarify the topic question and answer it yourself. | What part of "Is Immortality possible if man has no soul?" don't you understand? |
1) Your definition of "mortality". 2) Your definition of "soul". 3) Your definition of "man". 4) Your definition of "possible".
GrimoireA3 wrote:
How much more simple a question can be posed? |
How many simple assumptions do you want made from your simple question?
GrimoireA3 wrote:
Please just answer the question without inserting your own question to hijack the thread and prove yourself a pseudointellectual[SIC]. |
Yes, please do.
GrimoireA3 wrote:
If you don't know the answer just say so. |
Yes. Please do!
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Posted: September/03/2016 at 11:41am |
GrimoireA3 wrote:
Don't ridicule what you don't understand! |
I wish this "Doctor", would heal himself.
GrimoireA3 wrote:
...invective is the last resort of the lout! |
I wonder how this guy feels to be occupying a space at that resort?
GrimoireA3 wrote:
If you don't have a college level understanding of logical analysis or systems of reasoning, then don't make a fool of yourself by ridiculing what you obvious do not understand like a child. |
This guy has a weird idea as to what constitutes ridicule.
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Posted: September/03/2016 at 12:39pm |
GrimoireA3 wrote:
If man, in fact, does not possess a soul - is immortality still possible? Does something else substitute for a soul? Mind? Life force? Metabolism? | No. NOTE: Being that the question is answered can we close the thread.
Edited by goomba - September/03/2016 at 1:43pm
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MM, RAM, RSM, KT, KM, SRICF
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/06/2016 at 5:41pm |
goomba wrote:
GrimoireA3 wrote:
If man, in fact, does not possess a soul - is immortality still possible? Does something else substitute for a soul? Mind? Life force? Metabolism? |
No.
NOTE: Being that the question is answered can we close the thread. |
YES, please. And thank you for a direct answer to a valid question by a Freemason instead of all the idiotic responses and obvious cant and sophistry by a self appointed spokesman for Masonic thought.
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Please Note: I am not a Mason. And also, I am not an anti-Mason!
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coach
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Posted: September/06/2016 at 6:44pm |
GrimoireA3 wrote:
YES, please. And thank you for a direct answer to a valid question by a Freemason instead of all the idiotic responses and obvious cant and sophistry by a self appointed spokesman for Masonic thought. |
Careful. You're now mounting an ad homonym on a forum member rather than attacking the issue at hand: You're choice to not answer simple direct questions.
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Adept?
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Posted: September/06/2016 at 9:07pm |
I know I'm not a moderator anymore, but enough with the personal insults.
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"It is humanity that creates god, and men think that god has made them in his image, because they make him in theirs."
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/08/2016 at 10:26am |
coach wrote:
What's my point? It should have been clear by my previous post. Let me repeat myself.
You cannot get to where you want to go until you define where you are now. Without an offered definition for "soul", the entire conversation becomes an exercise of Baconian "Idol's of the Marketplace" dribble. |
Mere opinion.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/08/2016 at 10:30am |
Adept? wrote:
I know I'm not a moderator anymore, but enough with the personal insults. | Hear that coach?
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goomba
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Posted: September/08/2016 at 3:00pm |
You should stop being so rude. You are a guest here.
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MM, RAM, RSM, KT, KM, SRICF
Living in the DC area.
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droche
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Posted: September/08/2016 at 4:11pm |
Grimoire,
Your posts are morphing from questions about Freemasonry to your opinions about how Freemasonry should be. You are of course entitled to these opinions, but for a non-Mason to be telling or appear to be telling Masons how their organization should be is alienating them. You are bringing up good points in my opinion, but you need to tone things down. I know it takes two to Tango but people here have been Masons for years and will resent a non-Mason telling them what it is or should be like.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/08/2016 at 4:15pm |
goomba wrote:
You should stop being so rude. You are a guest here. | Yes, thank you. I am asserting myself a little too vehemently sometimes.
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GrimoireA3
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Posted: September/08/2016 at 4:16pm |
droche wrote:
Grimoire,
Your posts are morphing from questions about Freemasonry to your opinions about how Freemasonry should be. You are of course entitled to these opinions, but for a non-Mason to be telling or appear to be telling Masons how their organization should be is alienating them. You are bringing up good points in my opinion, but you need to tone things down. I know it takes two to Tango but people here have been Masons for years and will resent a non-Mason telling them what it is or should be like. | O.K, gotcha. Thank you!
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Adept?
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"It is humanity that creates god, and men think that god has made them in his image, because they make him in theirs."
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edwmax
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Posted: September/08/2016 at 9:55pm |
After reading the last 2 days comments, this thread is LOCKED!
Lets move on to something more interesting, ... Was the 3 Stooges Freemasons?
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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."
Thomasville 369
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