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    Posted: November/19/2007 at 9:54am
The ashlar has a practical purpose as well as a beauty to behold. Just my opinion, but we should put some effort into looking the part of a stonemason. These men worked in the quarries with stone, all effort was physical. I'm getting tired of seeing out of shape men representing hard working stone masons, which I happen to be by the way, and I still find time to train in the gym. I'm 43 so no, not a spring chicken, and I don't look a day over 30.
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  Quote stonecutter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/19/2007 at 1:34pm
If you work in the quarry too much, you might end up looking like this guy:


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LOL, Nice one
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  Quote Bagger Bob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/19/2007 at 5:15pm
My head is as hard as a rock but instead of working on my six pack I decided to go straight for the keg. Does that count?
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I see far too many round bellies at Masonic functions. The ubiquitous gravy doesn't help. I've cleaned up my act this year and dropped over 50 lbs of fat. I'm now at my slim wedding day weight and am still losing. It's easy to do if you put your mind to it.
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  Quote dogface Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/05/2007 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by Tanizaki

I see far too many round bellies at Masonic functions. The ubiquitous gravy doesn't help. I've cleaned up my act this year and dropped over 50 lbs of fat. I'm now at my
slim wedding day weight and am still losing. It's easy to do if you put your mind to it.


Agreed. I lost about 40 lbs this year. Don't think I'll lose much more, but I needed it.
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 Great job brothersClap
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  Quote Tanizaki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2007 at 3:55pm
Originally posted by 32PRINCE

The ashlar has a practical purpose as well as a beauty to behold. Just my opinion, but we should put some effort into looking the part of a stonemason. These men worked in the quarries with stone, all effort was physical. I'm getting tired of seeing out of shape men representing hard working stone masons, which I happen to be by the way, and I still find time to train in the gym. I'm 43 so no, not a spring chicken, and I don't look a day over 30.

"Lack of activity destroys the good condition of every human being, while movement and methodical physical exercise save it and preserve it" - Plato

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?" Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, 6:19

Ok gents, I have no idea what you all look like or what shape you're in, but my guess is that at least a few of you are soggy about the middle. Let's shape ourselves up!

As I have already written, I have lost over 50 lbs of fat in the past six months, bringing my total body fat from over 30% to less than 20%. I am still working on it, with an ultimate goal to be under 12% body fat. There are lots of great free resources on the web to help in this effort. Two I use are:

bodyspace.bodybuilding.com
It's like MySpace, except with a focus on working out. You can see my profile at http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/tanizaki/ to get the idea.

fitday.com
This site can be used to track your food intake and exercise. I use the software version on my PC, but the free version on their webpage is great.

Don't be a part of that group that puts on weight between Thanksgiving and New Year's Day!
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My Brother, There is a Huge difference between both types of masonary.  No matter we still have the same beliefs and edicts that were passed on to us.
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  Quote Tanizaki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/09/2007 at 9:02pm
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My Brother, There is a Huge difference between both types of masonary.  No matter we still have the same beliefs and edicts that were passed on to us.
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What does that have to do with being slim or obese?
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 Bro. Steve,  There is no exscuse to not be the best you that you can be. There are far too many GLORIFIED EA'S calling themselves MasterMasons. To master ones self is to master all aspects, or at least stop the exscuses for non-mastery.
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  Quote Tanizaki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/10/2007 at 6:32am
Originally posted by 32PRINCE

 Bro. Steve,  There is no exscuse to not be the best you that you can be. There are far too many GLORIFIED EA'S calling themselves MasterMasons. To master ones self is to master all aspects, or at least stop the exscuses for non-mastery.


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 THAT IS REALLY SAD.
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  Quote stevep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/10/2007 at 4:20pm

Brothers I am unfamiluar with the term GLORIFIED EA,s. In all the areas I have been associated with most had to give there profesincey back with in 30 days.

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  Quote stonecutter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/10/2007 at 4:45pm
I was taken aback by that statement also.

A PHA brother I have gotten to know (electronically) over the years is a 33rd degree Mason but uses: "A Lifetime Apprentice" as his signature line. My opinion is that some of the most important lessons are taught to us in the 1st degree. An EA is my brother, plain and simple. Because I am a MM or PM does not make me better than him, just more experienced.

This is a small excerpt from a paper written by Brother Byron Hams, explaining why he uses that signature line:

Now the one thing that changed my life was, I was informed that it was not enough to just know or just understand the lessons of Masonry, I had to live the lessons of Masonry.

Believing this I feel that I will be “A life time Apprentice” my whole life. When the time comes to return this physical body back to the ground from whence it came.

The spirit that lived in this body will be returned to God as a “Fellow Craft” and then at the feet of God the labors of my spirit will be judged by God.

Then and only then, if God finds the work of my spirit as “true work, good work”, will my spirit be raised from a dead level to a living perpendicular on the angle of a square by God.

In this belief, I will live my life as “A life time Apprentice”, always trying to subdue my passions and learning to improve myself.


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  Quote stevep Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/10/2007 at 5:36pm
Brothers My initial post  I was refering to the difference between Operative and Speculative
Masonry. We are not stone masons in the physical sence. No matter what a man looks like,  how physical or worldly wealth we were all made masons in our heart.  I'm sorry that i did not explain myself better
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Originally posted by stevep

Brothers My initial post  I was refering to the difference between Operative and Speculative
Masonry. We are not stone masons in the physical sence. No matter what a man looks like,  how physical or worldly wealth we were all made masons in our heart.  I'm sorry that i did not explain myself better

I don't think 32d was saying that obese Masons were any less Masons than physically fit ones. I think he was saying that we should strive to be of sound mind AND body. No one said anything about worldly wealth, although I will say that health is wealth.
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Good Point  what threw me was the poster that was put up. Again sorry I didn't express my self right.
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My response was in reference to the term "Glorified EA", which perhaps I misinterpreted or took out of context. If that is the case, I also apologize.

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 My intent was to get us to think healthy outside as well as healthy knowledge we learn from our lessons.
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 What I meant by glorified EA is, I know a bro who has a drinking and smoking problem, that he readily admits are problems for him. He has had these same problems since he was an EA but yet he continues to go through degrees while admitting that he just can't get a hold on the problems. We have watched, counseled and tried to get him outside help, but he refuses, still his lodge made him a master mason.
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Brother thank you for the explaination.  Unfortunately I do know a couple of them.
 
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 Your welcome Bro. Steve.
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SMOKING PROBLEM?! Now I can't smoke as a Mason! Screw that! Now where are my Player's?
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  Quote Tanizaki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/13/2007 at 6:11pm
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SMOKING PROBLEM?! Now I can't smoke as a Mason! Screw that! Now where are my Player's?

Yeah, that raised my eyebrows as well. I don't think nicotine addiction is at all analogous to alcohol addiction.
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Depends on perspective I guess.

Unless an alcoholic drinks and drives or does something equally stupid it is only their own health that is effected, however there is evidence that second hand smoke can cause cancer in non-smokers which would make it less socially acceptable.

As far as addictions go, cigarettes have been compared to heroin which would make them at least on par with alcohol as being a difficult habit to kick.

I'm an ex-smoker but I never joined the ex-smoker Nazis. Ah man, I quit about 15 years ago and now I want one.

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  Quote Tanizaki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December/13/2007 at 8:31pm
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Unless an alcoholic drinks and drives or does something equally stupid it is only their own health that is effected, however there is evidence that second hand smoke can cause cancer in non-smokers which would make it less socially acceptable.

As far as addictions go, cigarettes have been compared to heroin which would make them at least on par with alcohol as being a difficult habit to kick.


I don't deny that nicotine is highly addictive. However, addiction to it does not have the psychopharmological effects that other intoxicants do. A man might get liquored up and beat his wife, but no one smokes a pack of Lucky Strikes and gets violent.

The evidence on second-hand smoke is that it is harmful to young children with developing respiratory systems. The evidence on damage to adults just is not there.
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Originally posted by Tanizaki

I don't deny that nicotine is highly addictive. However, addiction to it does not have the psychopharmological effects that other intoxicants do. A man might get liquored up and beat his wife, but no one smokes a pack of Lucky Strikes and gets violent.

The evidence on second-hand smoke is that it is harmful to young children with developing respiratory systems. The evidence on damage to adults just is not there.
 
I agree with the lack of psychopharmacological effects of cigarettes vs alcohol.
 
The science proving the dangers of second hand smoke is plentiful and obvious to with the exception of the tobacco industry. Of course the tobacco industry may have a vested interest in denying the hazards as do governments that make a fortune on the taxes they charge. I have to admit that when I was a smoker I was in denial too or at least I didn't give the evidence much weight. I guess that is just human nature.
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Gentlemen I mean (SMOKING) problem cannabis!!!
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OH, so what's the problem?
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