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CLewey44 ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: December/15/2014 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 70 |
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Hello,
Is Amaranth as Biblically based as OES? Just curious. Thanks! |
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Washington Lodge #36 OES Chapter #247 Bro. J. Clint Lewey (I): 02 September 2014 (P): 30 December 2014 (R): 17 March 2015 |
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the amarannth masonic degree has NO connection with the "Royal order of the Amarantha" notice spelling. the creator of the former was inspired by the later.
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Bro. Kendall Jewell
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edwmax ![]() Administrator ![]() ![]() Joined: November/06/2007 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Offline Points: 7098 |
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Thanks, I'll check out your links.
I just found this one: http://www.paulrich.net/publications/heredom_02.html Apparently, the addition of the Queen of the South and the Order of the Amaranth was by Robert Macoy with approval of Rob Morris. However, the OES & Amaranth didn't get along and separated later under Mainstream Masonry. Now under the PHA Masonry, the OES & Amaranth continued as one co-joined system. (???) Now this raises an additional question since Amaranth may have originated in Sweden and rewrote for American use by James Taylor; if European connects to OES exist. Edited by edwmax - March/01/2012 at 9:01am |
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jaya ![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: November/16/2010 Location: Western NC Status: Offline Points: 2628 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Amaranthhttp://www.phoenixmasonry.org/eastern_star_the_evolution_from_a_rite_to_an_order.htmhttp://www.scribd.com/doc/55007873/33/Order-of-the-Amaranthhttp://books.google.com/books?id=7-IHopYkJVkC&pg=PA10&lpg=PA10&dq=proposed+Adoptive+Rite+of+Masonry+Amaranth&source=bl&ots=KJNumuoYtU&sig=AgTXy-mvkbPK-2s6kwbTzxBAOg4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DYhPT73WLcbs0gGEl_3wDQ&ved=0CCYQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=proposed%20Adoptive%20Rite%20of%20Masonry%20Amaranth&f=false
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Jay Austin
Black Mountain 663 - Junior Warden AASR Valley of Asheville - KSA The Masonic Society http://westernncmason.blogspot.com |
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edwmax ![]() Administrator ![]() ![]() Joined: November/06/2007 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Offline Points: 7098 |
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Do you have any reference links to this? ... I have read that OES was originally intended to be the 1st of a three degree system, but apparently this didn't develop. The 2nd & 3rd were to be Queen of the South and the Order of the Amaranth. ... Although I have not see this was intended by Rob Morris (???). Edited by edwmax - March/01/2012 at 8:06am |
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it use to be a requirement until the 1920's....and the Past Grand Royal Matron i spoke of.......is a past worthy matron many times over
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Bro. Kendall Jewell
2* Senior DeMolay Lynn Skinner Chapter 3* Master Mason Bartlett#211 GLofTn F&AM 32* Master of the Royal Secret Valley of Memphis Orient of Tennessee Yellow Dog etc... etc... etc... |
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jaya ![]() Moderator ![]() ![]() Joined: November/16/2010 Location: Western NC Status: Offline Points: 2628 |
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At one point, was it not a requirement that one must be an OES member forst before they joined Amaranth? Also, wasn't it part of a proposed Adoptive Rite of Masonry?
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Jay Austin
Black Mountain 663 - Junior Warden AASR Valley of Asheville - KSA The Masonic Society http://westernncmason.blogspot.com |
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edwmax ![]() Administrator ![]() ![]() Joined: November/06/2007 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Offline Points: 7098 |
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The OES is not subordinate to the Amaranth; neither is the
Amaranth subordinate to the OES. They are two distinctly separate organizations. ... The description that Amaranth was 32nd degree (or equalant) of the OES is simply rivalry talk.
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as a past grand royal matron told me and the other 3 new members when we joined that the amaranth "is the 32nd degree of the eastern star" her words, and at 80 years old i will not argue with her. but it is true the amaranth was designed to be the 3rd degree of "adoptive masonry" with the oes 1st queen of the south 2nd (no longer MS but practiced by PH) and the amaranth 3rd
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Bro. Kendall Jewell
2* Senior DeMolay Lynn Skinner Chapter 3* Master Mason Bartlett#211 GLofTn F&AM 32* Master of the Royal Secret Valley of Memphis Orient of Tennessee Yellow Dog etc... etc... etc... |
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aogop ![]() Quarryman ![]() ![]() Joined: December/02/2009 Location: Shoreline, WA Status: Offline Points: 582 |
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In Washington State, we have at least 2 Rainbow Assemblies sponsored by OES chapters. None are sponsored by Amaranth to my knowledge, although every mason I know that is in Amaranth up here has/had either a daughter in Jobies, or his wife was one. Seems there is very little "co-mingling" up here, as (at least in the Court that meets in our building) has very few members that also belong to the OES.
Now having said that, I am not a member of either group so my view is skewed.
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JerryP.
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OES is an Order of Master Masons & wives, daughters, mothers, widows, & sisters; Amaranth is the same. Amaranth simply changes the titles in the order to Royal Matron Royal, Patron, Sir Knoght & Lady.
Jobs Daughters & Rainbow are youth orders, the differance being Jobs Daughters must have Masonic tie, fathers, grandfather, uncle, by blood or adoption. In Rainbow young ladies are sponcered by Masons, OES, White Shrine, & Amaranth, they do not have to be related to a Master Mason.
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Past Matron New Hope Ch. #117 OES PWHP Palm Shrine No.32 now Alchor #27 WSOJ Y.B.Y.S.A.I.A. As Brother Ben F. said "In Wine there is Wisdom In Beer there is Freedom In Water there is Bacteria" < |
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aogop ![]() Quarryman ![]() ![]() Joined: December/02/2009 Location: Shoreline, WA Status: Offline Points: 582 |
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Long story short, for MS lodges OES is to Rainbow what Amaranth is to Job's Daughters.
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JerryP.
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PHAprettyboi ![]() Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: October/14/2009 Location: Hinesville, GA Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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Actually on the PHA side of the house the amaranth is a degree in OES.. just a tidbit of info..
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edwmax ![]() Administrator ![]() ![]() Joined: November/06/2007 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Offline Points: 7098 |
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Some history of Amaranth can be found here. http://www.amaranth.org/NewHistory.asp It is a social oganization of Master Masons and their female relitives similar to OES. The OES is more ritualistic while the Amaranth is more social with Grand Parties and Royal Court theme.
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tm274 ![]() Administrator ![]() ![]() The True Time Traveling WM .·. Joined: March/31/2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5686 |
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Completely separate from Blue Lodge and appendant degrees of Freemasonry, simpleman.
They are an organisation based closely on the principles of Freemasonry, but have men and women in their org.
It does say that "it's open to Men and Women with Masonic affiliations", therefore I would be of the presumption.......should you want to join, then you'd be eligible.
Edited by tm274 - April/01/2009 at 3:43am |
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simple man ![]() Quarryman ![]() ![]() Joined: April/08/2008 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 462 |
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Is this also like the Shrine where you must 1st be a master mason?
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edwmax ![]() Administrator ![]() ![]() Joined: November/06/2007 Location: Georgia, USA Status: Offline Points: 7098 |
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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."
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GAmastermason ![]() Quarryman ![]() ![]() Joined: November/18/2007 Location: Georgia Status: Offline Points: 581 |
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What is Amaranth and why would one want to join?
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