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    Posted: May/04/2009 at 12:03pm
Questions: How many questions have you been asked or have you asked a Brother wearing light? Say you just see someone walking down the street you see light, he sees light, and then you take it from there. Do you even ask or do you just say your name where your from nice to meet you and keep the conversation on the surfice? When do you know when to ask questions?
 
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I was at a hotel Saturday for a graduation of Wilkerson College. A masonic leadership school. At the graduation were 2 PGMs, the SGIC of the Orient of NC and the deputy GM of NC, among many, many esteemed masons and several 33rd Degree SR Masons.
 
Some guy says "nice ring - I bet I could take it and you would never get it back... I can go all the way to the top..." He never asked me a single challenge question - just a bunch of trash talk. He did seem concerned if I was a 33rd degree, but I told him that there were a bunch in the next room that could vouch for me if that's what he was looking for.
 
You know, I would have enjoyed "nice ring, Traveling Man" and we would have smiled, greeted each other fraternally (PHA and MS masons have the benefit of recognition in NC), and both been the better for it. The way he was carrying on, I wanted nothing to do with him, went about my business, and both were the poorer for it.
 
I may not get it, but all this "challenging" seems like a bunch of posturing and one-upsmanship. Someone ALWAYS knows something you don't. He wasn't testing me to see if I was fit to sit in lodge with him and be avouched for... this was in the open, in a lobby at a hotel with a lot of profane around. It just left a bad taste in my mouth - the other MS masons standing next to me were quite taken aback, and had never heard of the "challenging" tradition.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/04/2009 at 2:13pm
I understand what you mean Tarditi Clap Makes perfect sence. Do you think the so called
challenging is an old school thing or a new school?
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Wow this is a touchy subject for me, I am rarely on the forum, so most here do not know me, but I felt compelled to interject my thoughts.  Honestly I think “challenging” is like two high kids trying to figure out who knows more or who is the hippest.  There is rarely a time and place for it in public.  Yeah I think its cool if/when you and your brothers are alone and ya’ll area challenging every other in a jovial matter. 

I personally have never really challenged a Brother, I may hit him with “nice ring” or “I like that hat you are wearing” or I might flash him a square with my hand, but I keep the line moving.  There is no reason to see a Brother outside of Wal-Mart wearing a S&C hat whom you never met talking about “will you be off or from??”  That kind of mentally/behavior distracts from the virtues of the fraternity.  I have however been so-called challenged a few times, and each experience I responded to their challenge with “Show me a current Prince Hall dues card and we can talk”

We should make Brothers feel comfortable in our presence with Brotherly Love, he shouldn’t fell like he needs to be on the defensive when he walks out his door displaying any Masonic emblem.  Some of these Brothers feel that Masonry is how much you can memorize, because that’s allot of what we require to progress through the degrees.  I like to tell newly raised Brothers (and those that I going thru the process) that is not about what you can recite, but the things you are reciting should re-enforce how you live your life.

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  Tarditi....next time you see that clown, tell him it's un-Masonic to covert someone else's property.
In other words.......theft.
   
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There are certain catechisms and other signs of recognition that are used to find another to be a mason in public situations, but it should never be used to "take" something from another brother. For the most part "challenging" is fun that should be done when around brothers you KNOW to be brothers and away from the profane. It can be a form of study, keep you sharp on the "very small things". I usually dont cater towards brothers who attempt to challenge me. Just tell them it's not the time nor the place. Or "come see me in the lodge".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/05/2009 at 1:44am
Originally posted by squarehead squarehead wrote:

There are certain catechisms and other signs of recognition that are used to find another to be a mason in public situations, but it should never be used to "take" something from another brother. For the most part "challenging" is fun that should be done when around brothers you KNOW to be brothers and away from the profane. It can be a form of study, keep you sharp on the "very small things". I usually dont cater towards brothers who attempt to challenge me. Just tell them it's not the time nor the place. Or "come see me in the lodge".
 
I agree bro.  There is a time and place for everything and I dont think the right time is when a brother is out and about handling his daily things...  I personally have never attempted to challenge another brother...I feel that one mason may know another by his actions and words ect...If he has on an emblem, fine. I will approach him and greet him.  Other than that I will take it no further...Why?  Even though I may not know him, he is not at the steps of my lodge seeking entrance...Now thats a different story...Then he will be examined in a proper and respectful manner...I will say this now as I have said in many other circles...This is GROWN MAN bizzness!....No time for games...I was taught to be able to tell a Mason by those three revered senses amongst ALL Freemasons...Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/13/2009 at 4:24pm
I thought I'd post this in here since it is along the same lines.
I just want to see how Brothers from different jurisdictions reply to this.

How will you be tried?
How will you be tried as a MM?

Is there a difference in the answer to these two questions?

PM me your response.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/13/2009 at 7:57pm
The first questions is in our 2nd degree, but the 2nd question is I cant find anywhere in the 3rd.  I am S Carolina jurisdiction
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/14/2009 at 6:34am
Bro. Tarditi,
 
Did the gentleman that approached you, distinguished himself as a Prince Hall Affiliated Mason? I ask that for a couple of reasons: 1) Here in NC, Prince Hall Affiliated Masons have an unwritten rule to only check the dues cards of our AF&AM Brethren. And only examine the brother if he wishes to enter the lodge and does not have a vouch or his dues card. If he was PHA, he should have known better.
2) It is extremely under-estimated the activities of the of unrecognized, irregular, spurious, bogus, clandestine, etc. groups within the African American community, that fancy themselves as Masonic. We have very active and very questionable groups such as Modern Free and Accepted, International, Scottish Rite, Kemet Science, Prince Hall Origin (National Compact), etc. that operate in NC. Some of them will attempt to gain information from unsuspecting Brothers by calling themselves Prince Hall Masons.
We Prince Hall Affiliated Mason have gotten many bad raps because of the activities of these groups and the assumption that because of their race they must be PHA.
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I was in the foyer of a hotel in Greensboro. He was with another group entirely (a wedding party, I believe), and we were walking towards a banquet room (a graduation ceremony for Wilkerson College, a Masonic Leadership school). He simply opened up the dialog with "nice ring" and I asked if her was a traveling man himself... he then proceeded to boast how he could get it from me etc. etc.
 
As I'm sure you're aware, relations between AF&AM and PHA in NC have JUST started to grow in a positive direction. I would have welcomed him fraternally, if he so identified himself, and could have introduced him to a room full of Brethren, and many notable Masons. I was surprised (and a bit disappointed) that this person took such an approach.
 
There are certainly a number of AF&AM Masons that will abide by the edict of GLNC recognizing PHA begrudgingly, but obediently - this sort of activity is likely to leave a poor first impression. Fortunately, I have the benefit of wonderful PHA Brothers such as yourself (and others I've had the pleasure to meet) to know otherwise.
 
We have also been informed that visiting Brethren hailing from PHA lodges need only to present their dues card for avouchment and, likewise, only examination if desiring to enter lodge.
 
I am aware that there are issues ranging from clandestine to outright non-masonic mis-representation, so I recall my obligations and charges and keep myself duly circumscribed.
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Regarding your questions:

#1 From the FC degree
#2 I have no idea what you're asking
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Thanks for the responses to the questions....keep 'em coming.
I myself am from MWPHGL of Colorado and it's Jurisdiction.
I too have no idea about the 2nd question.  So it's not like a trick question.  ;-)
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Originally posted by BoatCaptain BoatCaptain wrote:

I thought I'd post this in here since it is along the same lines.
I just want to see how Brothers from different jurisdictions reply to this.

How will you be tried?
How will you be tried as a MM?

Is there a difference in the answer to these two questions?

PM me your response.


 
Greeting Bro im new to this forum but the i belive but there is one answer that i can give is
 
by the Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth cause it contains all my tools thats as a MM
 
 
 
 
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Whenever a brother challenges me in my own jurisdiction I laugh at him and invite to our lodge meetings and they never come...odd. Outside of my jurisdiction I simply say that I am off and do not participate in such meaningless games.

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i to have been tried and find it fun however there are some jewelry shoppers that pull these kind of stunts for the free emblem i quickly respond with the way you will get my emblem is from my cold dead hand. Brother or no Brother. i know how much it cost me.
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I haven't played that game in many, many years.  As i've gotten older i realized how meaningless it is. Now among young breathren from my lodge we may play that game with each other in fun. But never will i do that in public with brethren i don't know. We have many brothers in our lodge who do a lot of community service with us. They could not tell you the first thing about catecism but that doesn't make them anyless my brother.  A man is judged by his actions.
Like some other brothers here, if placed in that situation, i would rather see your dues card. To many rusty and irregular brothers out there for me to be wasting my time. And it is a waste of time.
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I wonder if a brother was wearing a shirt with a S&C on it, if someone would actually try to take the shirt away.
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    I should hope not but there are brothers out there that may approach the situation as an oppurtunity to take the shirt off another's back.
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Bro LaVan,
 
Thanks for the response and I agree with you. Since I have been a member I wear light and people have just said hello square and kept movin. Just to know I have a Brother out there anywhere I go is great.
I have learned that the real work is outside the lodge doors and in the community.
 
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Through the long hot sands that we walked there is not a person that could even ask me for what I have worked hard to get and continue to do so....
I don't think that what this organization is all about. We were already tried so I would ask him come to my Lodge and enjoy.
 
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I was once in Memphis TN about 6 years ago, at the University of Memphis visiting my frat brothers (Alpha). Was on the college campus for a greek show, and of course there were brothers in the masses with light on...(rings, shirts, hats, etc). Now I'm not saying everyone challenged each other; be we generally asked but a few questions in our huddle of brethren and asked for dues cards..once that was done, the crowd of brothers grew larger and larger. To this point all the brothers assembled were PHA. There was one brother off to himself...but he had on a hat , shirt, ring, necklace, glasses, etc!! I mean just begging for attention. So, I of course wondered why he had not come over to where the brothers clearly were. I walked over to him, and of course with him having on all that light, proceded to challenge him... Needless to say he failed miserably. I called the brothers over to make sure I wasnt out of order.. We politely asked the gentleman to remove his light he was wearing(as he had a wife-beater underneath) so clothes wasnt an issue, in its entirety, and go to his WM of his so-called lodge and get info to learn how to wear it. He got angry and refused in a rude manner. ..Now I didnt take it off of him,(too many other brothers more eager and upset than myself) but let's just say I remember him being divested of all masonic light on the spot and escorted to his car. LOL.
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Challenging is not a big thing, but I will ask a brother a question or two if the place is proper. I cant say i don't frown on a rusty tshirt wearer as we call them or imposter.
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Personally i have never been challenged by an up to date dues card carrying brother. I usually ask for an up to date dues card after which they are  usually off and that ends the conversation 
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IMHO, I'm more of the what's up square and keep it moving types, but nontheless when i wear a t-shirt or my ring, i do so because i am proud to be a mason, not to boast.  I also have no problem showing my very active and regular dues card as long as the other party is willing to do the same.  But at no-point will i take off anything for anyone.  As said in previos post its a beatiful thing to meet diff bro's from diff areas/juris. but at the same time im not asking for admission to his lodge and neither is he asking of mine.  So there is no reason to put a man under strict trial/due examination in the middle of the mall.  This is only my opinion and no one elses.       
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I recently attended my first grand lodge session & was tried by a brother while trying to enter the hospitality room! He had a drink in his hand & proceeded to enlighten me on how to travel just in case I had to go outside of the jurisidiction. After about 15 minutes of laughing at this clown I promptly got on his ass. Most of his enlightenment was catch-e-kism type questions, which pissed me off, and I informed him that as an active duty military brother I have traveled all over the world. Needless to say when it was all over one of his fellow lodge brothers apologized to me. Rule of thumb: If you are going to challenge another brother don't make yourself look like a dam fool. Also if a brother is wearing a shirt with the Middle Chamber on it you might not want to mess with him....needless to say we never made it to the Middle Chamber...dam coward.
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I have never figured out why some attempt to do such things at GS.

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That definitely wasnt the place at a hospitality room. I feel ya, those are usually the ones who cant go from ground floor up.
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I find Masons who like to challenge the most are usually non-PHA. They like to call themselves headhunters.  It's a big thing to them to catch a PHA brother out there.  Makes them feel more "regular" i guess. Many years before i was PHA i was Modern Free. So i know for a fact how serious some irregular masons like to go around challenging Prince Hall for bragging rights.  It's a badge of honor for some. 
 
I was with a fellow lodge member recently who wanted me to meet a "brother" he had just met. My fellow brethern is not as proficent as he should be. As soon as i met the brother he starts off by asking if i were "off or ****".  I asked him if he were Prince Hall.  He kept saying Scottish Rite over and over.  (Like that means he's regular).  I knew he was irregular at that point and i was off......period. I didn't even have to ask for his dues card to know this. Prince Hall's are always proud to claim Prince Hall first before anything else other than where they hail.
 
I instructed my lodge brother NEVER to engage in masonic conversation with non-PHA.  Always ask for a dues card. Plus never engage with anyone if you feel you are not proficient enough to represent. 
 
Like i said previously, i no longer challenge brothers i don't know. I was never taught to do that in Prince Hall.  It's not encouraged like it was in Modern Free.
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Brothers..To be honest..Usually the ones who come up wanting to challenge you in an open/public place are ususally the ones who have not been to a meeting in a while. or just got there MM. The fastest way to turn them around is to ask then for a current dues book. That will turn them away real fast..
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I PERSONALLY WOULD NEVER TRY ANOTHER BROTHER UNLESS HE WAS IN THE ACT OF DEGRADING HIMSELF OR THE ORDER. ITS NOT COOL CHALLENGING A MAN IS BELITTLING HIM; JUST MY OPINION
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Brethren,
 
I would like to put my 2cents in if I may and I hope it doesn't offend anyone being that's not the idea. I believe that if you are not in the lodge and get instruction on the Q&A, then if you are out on the streets "demanding", or like it is called challenging, then I think that is a RUFFAIN behavior. And we no that is no way it's going to be answered.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/27/2009 at 4:54am
It all depends on the situation. For instance, if a brother catches me at the gas station pumping gas or something and sees my light and speaks or comes to me to present a token, I feel the need to at least make sure they are a brother. Due trial strict examination or lawful information is what im after. I personally dont greet a brother or whom i thnk to be a brother without preparing to possibly be examined. Takes every bit of 2 minutes to find out if they are a lawful brother or not. I agree, there is a time and place for everything, but challenging is ok with me when done properly and with brotherly love
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August/27/2009 at 6:24am
For fun I guess its ok, but seeing as how diffrent jurisdictions have subtle diffrences in thier work, You may not give the exact answer he is looking for. As such I would love to see him try to remove my ring or any other insignia from my possesion. He would think the S,W,and E gates were mere tea parties compareed to what he would be in store for.Ouch
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We don't have this in Oz and not really sure it would be accepted with open arms here. But were I to travel and some one came up to me babbling , then I would tell him in good old Aussie culture.....where to go.
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Tea parties at the S,W,E gates ....ha ha ha  ... how many sugar lumps would you like with that?  ....ha ha ha
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It is my understanding that this is used when you really are not sure about someone or he is suspected of being clandestine and needs to be put in place. This practice had me fearful of going to social events after being raised, but most brother that I meet are very polite and friendly...by the way I live in Detroit,MI,
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I use challenging in a fun sense to educate and get brothers back in the book. Alow me to explain, I may meet a brother who has not been fully active by means of knowledge. We meet, greet and talk through masoic intercourse. Then once in a while throw random questions at him, ( in a playful manner) and if he doesn't remember then I tell him. He eventually comes back at me. No thats a form of wise council and helping a brother. Its out of love not malice or one up'ing. It gets him back on the square. Its all about educating our brother and being educated in a friendly manner without attacking. If he doesn't want to play then we deal on the level all the same. I already know he is a brother so why would I try and degrade him? I wouldn't, it will take away from him aproaching a brother and embrasing him...Dwell on that a min..

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I use challenging in a fun sense to educate and get brothers back in the book. Alow me to explain, I may meet a brother who has not been fully active by means of knowledge.

I have an issue with this very area..... who 's yard stick are we judging by for starters who's to say what someone on the street tells you is correct? Ne body can make it sound like they know what they talking about.  Bro Steve not taking a shot at you, just using this as an example.  It is arrogant for someone believe they would always be the teacher and not the student.... I have always been and will always be a student of the craft.  But if i ever did run into someone who is not proficient and was looking for guidance, i would tell them to read there ritual as im sure what there looking for is in there. SMIB    
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Is this only in PHA because i was in the car studying (waiting for my children to get out of school)and a Bruh came up to the side of my car and asked me what my name is? I looked and said "You better get the !@#$ away from my car" I felt kinda bad after he explained himself but its a time and place for that.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/05/2010 at 8:18pm
It is a personal choice.  It is not a PHA thing.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/05/2010 at 8:21pm
ROFLMAO at Squarelevelplumb,

I have heard of such instances lol, as I am not the approachable type according to some, ( uh Biker looking redneck with Masonic tattoos all over) and being tried is a common thing, the only downfall I see is without seeing a dues Card hard to tell if someone is a Clandie.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/05/2010 at 9:23pm
I just dont see the point of it.  Reality, is unless I plan on holding a long conversation or something which is rarely the case, I just say hello brother and keep moving.  If I do not know them I dont even grip, I just give a regular handshake , and say good to meet you brother.  If he is a real brother he will probably not question me because he knows I dont know him from Adam so why would I grip someone I dont know.  Im just acknowledging that I see a brother who has masonic emblems on and I will greet him.  99.9% of the time I will never run into that person again so Why? Why? bother testing someone just for the heck of it.  Im looking for a masonic home and I have not been in my ritual for a while because of personal matters which I discuss in a different post, so if I was tested it is highly likely I may fail, but the fact is I am very much a Mason who has just had a rough time lately.  This is why I do not believe in that nonsense.  Just because you are on your game that day, you have no idea where the other brother is at mentally.  he may even know his stuff back and forth, but that day he is just completely pre-occupied and cant answer the simplest question.  What are you going to do take his ring.  Please, we have to use common sense.  As many say, it is first and foremost theft to take something that does not belong to you. And second, you do not know me to test me on anything.  Speak and keep moving.  If I am in lodge, test away.  Other than thatif you really just have to know, ask for my card, but honestly, if you do, I will probably just keep walking because in public, in passing, it really is not that crucial.  Again, this is in response to the original question of "passing by someone that has masonic emblems on", not deciding to hold a masonic conversation, that is a completely different situation, verification is necessary at that point
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/05/2010 at 10:04pm
Newlight I am going to show you a Prime Example of why I Try People and when they Do Not respond, to either a Grip or Word.

Simply Explained All Regular Masons both PH and GW 3 letter or 4 letter Are Taught that A Grip is the WAY One Mason May No Another in the Dark. Period at that Point even if you will not see them Again you should as a Mason satisfy yourself that they are a Brother and NEVER say you will not see them again. Now it is My Understanding that Imposters or Clandestine Masons Are taught the Way you think, they are taught to avoid Masons who Give the Grip and Try or as some say Put them on the Tylers Sword. So When I see A Man like you wearing a Ring, or Placard on your Car and you do not extend me the courtesy of a Grip. Then I deem you not Worthy, Now before you answer Back Think about what you say As I read your Post WORD for Word, and form what I gather from it You would not IN Passing or not extend me the Grip or Courtesy, which in all Three Obligations we are taught to Always Receive a Brother Master Mason.
And Before anyone ask I am a 4 letter GW Mason From Virginia Who is Blind to the Color of your Skin, a Mason is a Mason PH or GW. I will and Have always great all Masons With a Grip, as the Common Man who has no clue of the Grip when given it has NO CLUE of what it is, unless you tell them then it is on you.
It is better to Be Kind to a Brother in the Wind than to shun him as you NEVER Know when you might need that Brothers Help, No Matter who you are or where you are A Brother Mason is always your best Friend as you are Bound by an Obligation that NOT even Death Can Separate.
So think Long and hard My Brothers.

This is One Subject that I have Given many Short talks on and Have Study it extensively sending Emails and Letters to so many GLs and Lodges As I am one of the Complete ODD Balls who feels that The Boundaries in Masonry Need to come down as the Wall in Germany DID. And Doing nothing to change it, is the same to me as working to continue to allow it to happen.

Oh and By the Way Newlight you Tell us You are In Louisiana But Your IP shows different, Phoenix AZ ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/05/2010 at 10:05pm
When we do not Know about something it makes us Wonder more?
So When someone Says they are and has not proven they are we as MM surely wonder.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/05/2010 at 11:00pm
lilmark1971, First I fully appreciate your statements and I understand your point of view.  Again I hold this view on passing by someone with no intent to stop and talk.  I am always very kind to a gentleman who appears to be or presents himself to be a mason, however in passing and i stress in passing, I see no point to try anyone. And I stress IN PASSING.  If I am stopped and holding conversation, I will "try" for lack of better terminology and of course grip accordingly.  I did not indicate that I would not extend a grip if conversing with a brother, only in complete passing. That being said, I fully appreciate everything you stated.  Also, are you sure you looked at my profile, I just checked it and and it says nothing about Pheonix AZ, never even been there.  I pray I did not offend anyone, but I just feel that in passing it is just that, passing.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/05/2010 at 11:05pm
Also, and I mean no offense, but the clandestines that I have come across are usually that first to want to grip and or give a sign.  It is because of personal experiences, of which one is well documented in a previous topic post that I started,  being very hesitant to grip anyone unless I know them to be a true brother.  Also, I was not taught to not grip a brother, and it is not that I do so everytime.  But as the original post indicated, "In passing" most of the time I do not have time to try someone to determine if I should grip them properly or not.  Perfect example is last week I was in the store and a brother gave me sign and I was completely pre-occupied and walked by him with barely a wave.  About five minutes later I caught a breath and found the young man, and after a breif exchange we acknowledged each other as brothers with a proper grip and we moved on.  I will do so when appropriate, but in complete passing?

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