New Potentate

Is this a serious post?

Edited by watchman - August/24/2009 at 6:25am

Rick,

Rick,

Originally posted by noblewells By what authority does these people or groups have to determine who is legit and who isnt. By what rhyme or reason did they originate nor have they came to Austin TX and reviewed the Grand Lodge Charter in order to make this determination. I asked this question a long time ago and never gotten an answer.

THE  GRAND  LODGE  OF  THE  REPUBLIC  OF  TEXAS

By the end of 1837, three lodges had been chartered in Texas by the Grand Lodge of Louisiana: Holland Lodge No. 36, Milam Lodge No. 40 at Nacogdoches, and McFarland Lodge No. 41 at San Augustine. On December 20, 1837, President Sam Houston presided over a convention of representatives of these three lodges in the city of Houston, and elected Anson Jones the first Grand Master of Masons in Texas.

     There are six regularly established Lodges in Austin.  Austin #12 established 1839

Onion Creek #220 in 1856, Hill City #456 in 1876, Parsons #222 early 1900's, University #1190 in 1922, & T. Neal Porter Lodge.

 

As a matter of fact, in 1940 our Supreme Council, the United Supreme Council was re-charted and granted and new Patent of Authority by the Supreme Council of Uruguay, for the United States of America. The only legitimate Supreme Council among Negroes possessing a Patent of authority to confer and work several Degrees of Scottish Rite Masonry. The United Supree Council is a recognized body in the International Council of Supreme /sovereign Grand I nspector General of the 33rd Degree at Paris, France..

Noblewells,

Continue on the way you are going, as you are very defensive about your Lodge.  Thus, there is nothing to be gained by arguing with you.  But be warned that you are not welcome in my Blue Lodge, Grand Lodge or Shrine Temple because of the Clandestine nature of you Lodge.  As you may already know or should know, our Masonic Obligation specifically forbid masonic communications with ALL "clandestine made masons" such as yourself.  That is why the list on Bessel.org exist.

I see in your profile that you are a Clinical Research Associate.   I presume you have a college degree,  did you get that by overnight mail?   As basically that was how your GL and Lodge was formed.  I'm not trying to be offensive here, but open your eyes as to what we are talking about.

Edited by edwmax - August/24/2009 at 5:34pm

I'm not offended by this nor did  I take it personal with anything said. I am a college educated man with a Bachelors Degree in Chemistry. I work for the Government at the Food and Drug Administration(FDA) in the Clinical Research Dept. I do research on the chemicals in drugs. For surely I will do my researcvh and look into this. I sent this information to my Deputy Grand Master, Grand Secretary and DDGM. They were as shocked as I was when they seen the posting and these are not men who do anything illegitimate in no way. Neither is our Grand Master. On the posting it listed our Past Grand Master William Steele, whom have since past away. That is not our current GM. He himself, is a pillar in our community as well. I did not take what P-Bug said personally but I did take it to heart. To say I was clandestine was a bomb to me. Can anyone of ya'll give me a contact information to give to my GS so he can discuss this. We were all shocked to see our Lodge name on there.

Ok.. I have come to find a few things interewsting about the website that was sent to me...All of the AF&AM Lodges listed on there are Founded by African Americans. What I also found out is that we My Grand :Lodge is registered with the State of Texas and have received several recognitions plaques signed by George W Bush and Rick Perry and Ann Richardson. Who are and were Governors of Texas.  

Originally posted by noblewells Ok.. I have come to find a few things interewsting about the website that was sent to me...All of the AF&AM Lodges listed on there are Founded by African Americans. What I also found out is that we My Grand :Lodge is registered with the State of Texas and have received several recognitions plaques signed by George W Bush and Rick Perry and Ann Richardson. Who are and were Governors of Texas.

Contact the PHA GL of TX and ask them if them recognize your organization. I already know the answer. You can find them here: http://www.mwphglotx.org/index2.htm

Originally posted by noblewells ...I beg to differ on PHA not recognizing us because they do. 90% of job is traveling all over the US and I like to ''Travel'' when I travel and I make it a point to visit a Lodge when I in a different city. I have visited African American AF&AM and PHA and have been welcomed with open arms. I have presented my credentials and passed there examinations.   .......

This is one of the problems that MS Lodges have with recognizing PHA of their state.  You should not have been allowed into the Lodge.

Originally posted by noblewells I beg to differ on PHA not recognizing us because they do. 90% of job is traveling all over the US and I like to ''Travel'' when I travel and I make it a point to visit a Lodge when I in a different city. I have visited African American AF&AM and PHA and have been welcomed with open arms. I have presented my credentials and passed there examinations.

I have sat back and read this entire posting over and over.  As a PHA member please inform me of the name of the PHA lodge you visited and the dates that you were "welcomed with open arms." 

Originally posted by noblewells Unlike those who never took the time to come and visit PHA has come personally and did their investigation and we did not come up void.

Are you saying that reps from the MWPHGL of TX came?  Who were the members of this
committee?  Please provide just one name.  I am sure that GM Curtis would be willing to say if he was/was not aware since he has been their GM since '03.

Please trace your GL.  Where does it trace back to?  Does it go to England, Ireland, or Scotland? 

Finally, please list all of the PHA GL's that recognize your GL?


Edited by Flotown79 - August/25/2009 at 9:50pm

I definitelty seek the truth in every aspect and in every form. I never said I didnt respect what the gentlemen told me. I just want to get to the bottom of the truth. I never skim the top. I got to get my hands dirty. If my GL is telling a lie then it will come out..Fraudulent, Bogus, Phony, Illegitimate is some very strong words to approach someone with and to come with if you dont have the facts, documents or paperwork to prove it. IO know a little bit about the PHA and PHO..Not much to give a essay on but familiar. Our GL was granted a Charter out of DC, back in 1940 when African American 4 letter Lodges was getting ''Jim Crow'' here in TX. The GL we recieved it from can has its roots traced back to GLE. The problem is that we they are not mentioning this. Question....If your GMother and GFather originated from England and sent your parents to Durham, NC. They sent you to Charlotte, NC..Does that not still make your roots from England or does your roots lie in NC?

The organizational meeting that led to the founding of the Most
Worshipful Mount Carmel Grand Lodge Ancient Free and Accepted Masons of
Texas was held in a small basement room the old Gregory Town School, now
known as the Blackshear Elementary School, on East. 11th Street, Austin,
Texas in November 1940.

Brother Isaac Craig, Jr. stressed to the group the need to form a Grand
Lodge whereby the practice of free masonry would be perpetual.

The group included Brothers John Lowery, Abe Haywood, Blake Hunter and
Brother McQuirter. After the inspiring and encouraging words of Brother
Craig, the group agreed he should be the first Grand Master of named Mt.
Carmel Grand Lodge.

Years passed and the organization continued growth at a remarkable pace:
a larger space was needed for a meeting place. The vision of Brother
Craig prompted the Lodge to purchase the property on the corner of
Chicon and East 13th Street where they held their meetings for many
years. In May, 1955, the Grand Master of the universe summoned Brother
Craig, Sr. to the Eternal City to receive his reward. Though sadden in
heart but with determination to move on to greater heights, the Mt.
Carmel Grand Lodge elevated Brother Timothy Johns, to Grand Master.

Brother Johns worked diligently as Grand Master, seeking ways to keep
building on the foundation that has been laid. He began, and was
successful in raising funds to build the Temple we now call home,
completing it in July, 1964. The good news was carried forth to Austin
and surrounding communities and various cities throughout Texas.

The gavel to come home sounded for Brother Johns in September, 1971, and
he went quietly to be with Brother Craig and the other victors of Masonry.

Brother Isaac Craig, Jr. son of the founder, was elected Grand Master in
September, 1971 and served the Lodge with honor, dedication and
commitment until the gavel summoned him to join those who had gone to
the grand mansion in the sky. In November 1989, the Honorable Ira Nesby
became interim Grand Master until July, 1990 when he was unanimously
selected Grand Master Emeritus by the Grand Lodge.

At the Grand Lodge session in July, 1990, Rev. William C. Steele, was
elected Grand Master and served with distinction until July, 1998.

In July, 1998 Brother Will Hargis, Jr., was elected Grand Master and
served tirelessly while Mt. Carmel prospered and the financial structure
stabilized. He was instrumental in beginning an initiative to help open
a school for young computer students. Under Brother Hargis’ leadership
the I.A. Craig scholarship fund was established, In May, 2000, Brother
Hargis was summoned by the Master of the Universe to come home and rest.

In July, 2000, Rev. Alton L. Hardeman 33° was elected Grand Master; and
is still serving as the leader of Mt. Carmel grand Lodge, looking ahead
to new and greater challenges as we move into the new Millennium.


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I see no mention of a charter from another GL.

Source: http://www.mtcarmelgrandlodge.org/4.html