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Thank you for that coreection on the years. But it still doesnt answer my question to why It seems that it doesnt matter whether you can trace it back to UGLE because you will not recognize each other and need a piece of paper to do it. To me that is racist on both ends. fro,, Mainstream to PH and PH to mainstream. When does it end. Who gives either one the right to say who is irregular and regular because if you are both claiming to have the paperwork from UGLE and you cant recognize each other then both of your GL's are irregular if you cant recognize one another with the same paper work. It seems that the only ones who are practicing Freemsonry is the ones you spend your time and efforts trying to discredit..

as a noble of AEAONMS, i would also like to educate brothers that civil government only stepped in because of racisim. most of the judges/lawyers were MS freemasons who started legal proceedings.  AAONMS had knowledge of AEAONMS in 1894, then in 1914, they chose to act as if they were infringed upon, when AEAONMS was incorporated prior and AAONMS was not, and the "E" for egyptian as it associated us with the African continent and not american/european descent. So there was no intent to defraud or mislead others that we were AAONMS. there's a thing called latches, and thats what gave AEAONMS the victory. not really an issue of if AAONMS and AEAONMS was legit as they in all probability came from the same source. the supreme court could not decide that at all. they did decide that any fraternal order has the right to exist and if a simialr org or org with similar name had knowledge of that it should take legal action immediately vs letting this go on then 20 years later try to come say they are bogus. look at the craft. why do you think PHA cant take or wont take some GL's to court? clearly latches becomes a problem. this doesnt change or affect the fact that the entity is regular or not. even in court, MS masons have testified that PHA was the only legitimate, regular masonry founded for men amongst the black masonic community. something they knew since prince hall got the charter. any well educated PHA mason knows we are not the "only" source of freemasonry; but i would say we can show more evidence than most worldwide grand lodges our descent and claim to an most ancient, regular, GL(UGLE).

Edited by JLHSMITH - September/15/2009 at 5:57pm

lol

Originally posted by noblewells That is interesting. So because your GL has the right to recognize who can and cannot be Masons according to yall standards. I pray and hope to GOD that you are never in danger or stranded and a MS Mason or one of the Brothers from these ''bogus lodges'' you have listed and stops to render you help that you dont stop and ask are you from a regular and recognized GL. That will show and prove if you recognize them if your life was in danger or in need of immediate assistance cause you see that square and compass on the back of their car, ring on their finger.

Myself and my lodge , being mainstream ,would help Flotown no matter what jurisdiction he would fall under , our if he was not even a Mason , or anyone else for that matter , period .   I don't think when it comes to helping and aiding a person in distress that being a Mason  should come into play anyway . No matter from what obedience or a non-Mason alike , I would never deny anyone aid who needed it , nor would I not take help from anyone else , be it Regular , irregular , clandestine , or profane ,  and I would hope all Masons felt the same way . We should not want to help others in need because we have taken an obligation , we should do it because it is the right thing to do as a human being and I wish all mankind felt that way but sadly they do not .




Edited by Ashler38 - September/16/2009 at 7:15am

Originally posted by edwmax Originally posted by scotrite357 Brother, I think it ends when we all have passed on. LOL  At least your part in it does.      .....

What do you mean? Are we insulting brothres on this site again.  We are in the midst of wholesome conversation and instruction here.  At least my part does? You don't know anything about me. Furthermore, my comment was a joke to those who have traveled long enough in masonry to understand my reference was to the jurisdictional argument, here on earth.  Please respond edwmax.

     I watched Real Sports last night and it spoke of african-americans not being able to swim compared to whites.  This problem is generational.  Blacks were denied the right, and thus stayed away from the water.  Now, those who braved the ignorance of segregation brought about more momentum in the civil rights movement by jumping in pools and going to the beach anyway.  But, for the many others, the answer was to stay away from the water, thus, passing on a fear of water and losing the real reason why they were to stay out of the water.  Inadvertantly causing generations of blacks to be afraid of the water and making new, unfounded reasons to not go in, not being told the original reason was racism.      I wonder how much information about what, why, and who to all these arguments containing both written, photo proven and handed down information has remained the same since the beginning of time, or at least 1717, or even the unifying of the lodges in England to decide about who is accepted, who isn't and why, other than what proven in courts or on paper from some source brothers has accepted as fact that has been handed to us for the last couple hundred years.       I try to anything I'm taught or have read by independent sources.  I think we all should or those who do, continue to make sure what we are being taught is as factual as possible.  That is why I try not to get in an argument here.  I try to obtain different opinions from as many traveling men as possible and restate only what is independantly proven to be fact.       We are all definitly passionate about jurisdictions, I hope that we remain as pssionate about learning the allegories we are taught.  Passionate about traveling as far as possible in freemasonry to learn the most about ourselves.  For there is where we will all find the definitive truths. And of course, the ultimate truth of it all won't be found until this physical form of living has ended.

Mr. Wells, I have read your post and the replies and I will give you this tidbit of information.  Yet since your are uninformed about the legitimacy of your lodge, you must first go to the origin of masonry.  Masonry was revealed to the world in 1717 in England, this is why UGLE is considered the mother of all grand masonic bodies.   I am a PHA mason and our organization has had many different spurious african american group claims to be masons just and your grand lodge is claiming masonic affiliation.  The phylaxis society is a PHA masonic research society that discovers these groups and educates those who are misinformed.  If one wishes to become regular and legitimate then they are healed into either the MS ( mainstream) states grand lodges or PHA (prince hall affiliated) states grand lodges in America.  If your grand lodge can not trace its history by to the UGLE they you are irregular and clandestine.  I read in your post that a Supreme Council of Negroes granted you all the right to confer the Scottish Rites degrees upon your members.  Their is only one recognized "Negro" Supreme Council that is recognized and that is United Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite, PHA, North and South Jurisdictions.  I see that they have sent you to bessel.org for research but you can also google, bogus masonry and see your organization listed a couple of times.  as PMbug states you really need to get legit so you can share in the rites and benefits of a duly and just regularly constituted lodge of F& AM

Originally posted by PHAprettyboi Bro Flotown, to educate the only reason the UGLE does not recognize MWPHGL or AL is mainly because you all do not have mutual recognition with the MS GL of AL.  Read the edict that was sent out when the UGLE extend recognition as to the legitimacy of PHA.  PHA is recognized as a masonic body just your grand lodge is not recognized because of racism...

Did the "ET" exist when the PHA Grand Lodge of Alabama was founded?

Originally posted by PHAprettyboi Bro Flotown, to educate the only reason the UGLE does not recognize MWPHGL or AL is mainly because you all do not have mutual recognition with the MS GL of AL.  Read the edict that was sent out when the UGLE extend recognition as to the legitimacy of PHA.  PHA is recognized as a masonic body just your grand lodge is not recognized because of racism...

...and what is the reason PHA GL's in the south have not recognized the 'MS' GL's?  It should not matter if recognition is given back. 

Watchman below is a list of PHA and MS Grand lodge who share recognition with each.  In each one of their resolution it clearly states that each shall hold allegience and sovereignty to their Grand Lodges.  Recognition only implies that you accept the other as regular and just masonic body, in concordance to the bylaws and ancient charges of freemasonry:

Edited by PHAprettyboi - October/16/2009 at 12:03am

We already recognize our mainstream counterparts.   We voted 5 yrs ago and have extend recognition to them but to have a mutual recognition resolution both sides have to first vote to recognize the other PHA to MS, MS to PHA.  The MS GL of GA made a motion last year to extend recognition to us but it was voted unfavorably by the majority at their last grand session.  We (PHA) have been told that the motion will be place on the floor again this year and we will see where it goes from there.  There is nothing more then we as PHA mason in GA would like to do then have mutual recognition with them.  We see it as a barrier being brought down.  If North Carolina and Texas can do it then GA, AL, MS, FL, TN, KY, WV, LA, and AR can do it as well. 

Edited by PHAprettyboi - October/16/2009 at 2:24pm

Originally posted by PHAprettyboi We already recognize our mainstream counterparts.   We voted 5 yrs ago and have extend recognition to them but to have a mutual recognition resolution both sides have to first vote to recognize the other PHA to MS, MS to PHA.  The MS GL of GA made a motion last year to extend recognition to us but it was voted unfavorably by the majority at their last grand session.  We (PHA) have been told that the motion will be place on the floor again this year and we will see where it goes from there.  There is nothing more then we as PHA mason in GA would like to do then have mutual recognition with them.  We see it as a barrier being brought down.  If North Carolina and Texas can do it then GA, AL, MS, FL, TN, KY, WV, LA, and AR can do it as well.

I stand corrected then.  Then many of your GL members seem to be misinformed on this bit of info. 

Again I stand corrected.