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JLHSMITH
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Joined: July/14/2009 Location: Little Rock, AR Online Status: Online Posts: 134 |
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Topic: Nobles active after Protective OrdersPosted: November/02/2009 at 4:08pm |
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Well, just online and about to hit up my Temple shortly. To all my fellow nobles of AEAONMS; how have you felt or how has your temple functioned/responded to the Protective Orders issued by PIP and IP? Here things are just fine. No threat of suspension and things of that nature. Only thing is our GL no longer recognizes the AEAONMS. Been that way for about a year now. So we are similar to a greek -lettered/social org that can still use the lodge halls, but cannot come to lodge/GL as Shriners. It's been cool for me personally as the GL and AEAONMS still goes about its work. Just wanted to know how other nobles were doing and dealing with their particular jurisdiction. Are you guys still active? I came in back in 2003...I was a KT since March 2000 but waited until October 2003 to make the journey. No Protective Orders then. I admit, I liked the fact that you had to either obtain KT or 32nd to join. Made the Shrine more rewarding to me at least. Thoughts from fellow nobles if any???
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Unity Lodge #454
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BoatCaptain
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Posted: November/02/2009 at 5:25pm |
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Last spring the MWGM rewrote an Edict that pertained to concordant bodies in our jurisdiction but other than that nothing has much has changed. Here's the short of my opinion:
Blue Lodge -- work, Consistory -- more work Shrine -- fun I agree more with the way it was, to be a Shriner you must first have to go York or Scottish. I suppose some things just have to change with the times. |
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JLHSMITH
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Posted: November/02/2009 at 6:06pm |
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I feel ya bro. It does get fun. But I read our history and see how much it ended up becoming such a part of PHA itself. I just wish things would have never got to the point it did last year with the issuing of the Orders. But what can you do/say?
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MWPGMNE
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Posted: November/03/2009 at 6:48am |
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My Brothers it is indeed a sad state we are in right now. I agree with you Boatman with having to be a York or Scottish Rite, however i do not believe it will ever go back to that good brotherly love with the SHrine again. I have 2 months left and starting in January i will no longer be loyal to the shrine as i have been. My loyalty will reside with my Grand Lodge and Grandmaster. I am a Mason first and to sue another Mason is not in a tender and friendly manner. Thank goodness for the Grandmasters who are standing up for the Landmarks in their Jurisdiction |
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BoatCaptain
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Posted: November/03/2009 at 11:28am |
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Well like the older Brother in the rehabilitation care center that I visited yesterday said...."Keep on keepin' on"
I agree it's a sad state.... it seems to be headed toward this which is unfortunate Blue Lodge -- work, Consistory -- more work Shrine -- just more work Not really sure what I'd do if I had to pick one or the other. I suppose that bridge will be crossed whenever I arrive there. |
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Spanawaydude
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Posted: November/03/2009 at 5:47pm |
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Ok, Maybe Im missing something? I seem to be abreast of this "Protect Order" buisness as I am a MM who was created in the Shrine without being a KT or 32nd. Im assuming you brotheren feel harsh on this. I can say it seem unorthodox, but I dont think one should be looked down on for "traveling" a different route (NOT SAYING YOU ARE), but I have all intentions on completing York Rite (verus Consis at the moment). Its just that I had the opportunity to join the Shrine first, and I did. I undersatnd the views though. So, what Im asking is is there something new coming down on the topic of protection orders? I was hearing mixed answers when I made a post awhile back prior to petitioning the Shrine.
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Bro Kirven
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BoatCaptain
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Posted: November/03/2009 at 7:20pm |
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no harsh feelings on my part Bro...the guys I got created with only belonged to the Blue Lodge and I look at them no different. Like you said they are traveling their way and I am traveling mine....now how much do you love your potentate? ;-)
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Spanawaydude
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Posted: November/03/2009 at 8:01pm |
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Thanks BoatCaptain! And I do love my potentate! LOL
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Bro Kirven
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JLHSMITH
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Posted: November/03/2009 at 8:14pm |
I can be honest and say that when I used to think of the Shrine, I always thought of men who labored in not just the Blue House, but York and SR also. Shrine was a bunch of jolly old men who got to relax when not working hard in other houses. I admit I personally feel that going MM to Shrine is probably not as rewarding as a brother who 'labored in the trenches' so to speak. I have no problems with a noble made under the PO who was not YR or SR, but I feel that Shrine should at least require a MM to be an active KT or 32nd for at least a year or two. Cold sands, no clyde for some,lol... the process of old has been done away with officially. Some may disagree, but I feel the old requirements made the order more stable and you always had an active MM/Noble (b/c he couldnt be noble unless he was financial in all other houses). So if brothers who were in it to just get the Shrine and had no intentions of work; they would be taxed by not just Blue Lodge but YR/SR to remain active in the Shrine(as well as Shrine dues). To me, this weeded out "I got mine!" - type brothers. If a brother had intentions to work, at least the requirements kept him in check ('him' being a working brother might I add) because then the MM has already learned how to stay active in other house/s and can therefore manage dues, time, etc. The PO to me makes the Shrine more like frat-like. Why affiliate with masonry for over 100 years then say we arent masonry? We already know this. The requirement at the formation of AEAONMS could have been a man must have been an eagle scout to join lol - anything John Jones desired. I feel the original requirements were set to make sure that men who joined the nobility were men who had to be of great standard-by being a MM first, and secondly by being a KT or 32nd; had at least learned masonic discipline in other masonic houses and would have little problem transitioning to the "Fun House" and still maintain loyalty to the GL. It seems from the history of the Shrine PHA masons knew AEAONMS was not a masonic entity in itself from the beginning; it simply choose its member base from some of our exalted ranks (KT/32). We know that the Shrine understood early in its formation that if the membership was composed of MM, then you clearly dont want to piss a GM off. Didnt give him (a GM) any authority over the Shrine, but clearly a GM can remind a Noble that he must be a MM in good standing to be a noble. Just some of my thoughts. I accept all nobles regardless of the process or PO. I just wish things were back to the days of old I guess. Edited by JLHSMITH - November/03/2009 at 8:41pm |
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MWPGMNE
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Posted: November/04/2009 at 9:20am |
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I could not agree more with that long explanation of how shrine, consistory/KT and MM were brought together. The Shrine has turned into just as you said a FRAT, how unfortnate that the process put in place to make sure all sides of our order had upstanding men in it from tip to tail. May all masons whether travling along the long road or the quick road have the blessing that will keep them square.
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Spanawaydude
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Posted: November/04/2009 at 9:50am |
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That may be true that the shrine may look more like a frat these days, but let's not look down on those brothers (such as myself) who took advantage of this order. (not saying you are). But I know why I became a MM, and why I became a Noble and my future plans for YR and or SR. It was in no way, shape, form, or fashion to be in a frat. Been there, done that. It just gets back to the roots of Masonry, and why we want to become better men. Hopefully brothers join for the right reasons. I'm sure we know plenty who didn't. Thanks MWPGNME.
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Bro Kirven
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