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    Posted: November/06/2009 at 9:09pm
Hello Brothers.  I have a question.  How should I properly greet any brother (or sister, who may or may not be displaying light)?  I'm a mailman and I have plenty of brothers and sisters on my route (so I deliver a lot of masonic and OES communication).  I would like to just greet and keep it moving, as I'm still on the clock; if we evolve into masonic discussion it would have to be brief but I would consider that a bonus; What I'm concerned about is that brother or sister who would try to challenge me while I'm on the route; at that point I'd feel negative about the entire situation.  Any thoughts are helpful and well appreciated.
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Jacksonville, Fla....I was stationed there for 3 years. Love that place.
 
back to your question...a subtle gesture or word will always catch a masons attention. You know what to say.
 
If you expect to engage in some "secret" convo, expect to be challenged. Some will anyways. Shouldn't feel negative. You must be able to identify who is who.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/07/2009 at 8:53am
I would simply say,"How are doing brother or sister?" and keep it moving.  They might ask where you hail from, but usually not much more.  If they want to go further and you don't have the time, you can apologize and say you have to keep moving because of your job.  If they continue to challenge you after that you can say,"respectfully bro or sis, I'm off, I have to finish my job."  Any decent bro or sis shouldn't keep pressing you if you are speaking to them in passing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/08/2009 at 12:36am
I am a meter for SoCal Gas company and I was curious about this as well... Good question Bro.  Blakely Thumbs%20Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/14/2009 at 12:37pm
I am with the simple gtreeting of "How are you Bro./Sis.?". If they want to talk about the craft on some real stuff then possibly exchange info. (email address, etc.) and take it from there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/14/2009 at 12:52pm
My carrier handed me my mail and just asked me what lodge i was in and introduced himself.  That easy.
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Being a Mail Mail, if I were you I would give him 3 honks with the horn and I'm sure he'll get the picture.
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Sometimes I say "Do you know Bro. B..."  If they are not a MM, they say I don't think so.  If they are a MM, they usually come back with a yes and I know Bro. J.....!!!  A little head nod, smile, and keep on moving!!!

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"Hello" works for me every time.
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I would introduce myself as Bro AB and tell them it's always nice to meet/greet another brother.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 3:35pm
Whats going on brothers! I am newly raised Master Mason I have a question as to what grip I am suppose to use when greeting another Master Mason outside of the lodge?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 3:44pm
Do you know them to be a MM?  If you do the 3rd is fine.  I grip those that I know on the 1st and 2nd sometimes.  Many times I just give a handshake.

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I always give a known brother the first myself personally.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 3:55pm
Always conceal, never reveal. Unless, like flotown says, you know them to be a master, you shake their hand with a regular shake until they prove themselves.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 3:58pm
Half the time a handshake is all you end up giving them anyway, grips or not lol.
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Right, lol.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 4:12pm
 Thanks squares! I appreciate it.  I have another question.... When or at what point am I suppose to use the LP(Grip). I have talked to others and some say only in the Lodge and others say that they use it outside of the Lodge. I just want more clarity because I want to do things in order and its proper place.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 4:16pm
I have used it twice in my life. 

To me it should only be used/given to a trusted person and in certain situations.  Since you are suppose to be in a certain manner when giving or receiving it, it is something that should not be taken lightly.

Just my opinion.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 4:20pm
Originally posted by Flotown79 Flotown79 wrote:

I have used it twice in my life. 

To me it should only be used/given to a trusted person and in certain situations.  Since you are suppose to be in a certain manner when giving or receiving it, it is something that should not be taken lightly.

Just my opinion.
 
 
 
 
I agree. I was told by old schoolers it was given to a brother when he was about to leave the area and wouldnt be returning for a long time, if ever to return. I was also told it is given between two VERY good/close brothers. I only give that to 2 brothers that I know of every once in awhile and thats because we are proven good/trusting brothers and we go go way back. Lodge of instruction is appropriate also.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 4:25pm
Originally posted by D SQUARED D SQUARED wrote:

 Thanks squares! I appreciate it.  I have another question.... When or at what point am I suppose to use the LP(Grip). I have talked to others and some say only in the Lodge and others say that they use it outside of the Lodge. I just want more clarity because I want to do things in order and its proper place.


You definitly want to excercise caution with that grip bro because non-PHA guys know it to. So, make sure you definitly either know the bro or get proof who he is before you give it. They might be out there fishing for secrets, ya know. And only give it in the proper position.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 4:49pm
Bro, D Squared, IMHO don't use it unless in degree work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/23/2009 at 4:54pm
Originally posted by 32PRINCE 32PRINCE wrote:

Bro, D Squared, IMHO don't use it unless in degree work.


There are a few situations outside of a lodge when a person might need to use it.  But before I give it to a person they are going to make it known that it is a very serious situation. 


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Hey thanks for all the enlightment brothers you all really cleared up some things for me!
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Brother D Squared, I have a shirt that says Freemasonry: "From the ground floor up"
 
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oh..sorry...looked over sum things...there is no need to use that outside the lodge..if you can't tell without that...u may not need to know...lol
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Whenever I meet a brother not known I do so on the 1st degree. I use the LP for a brother leaving the area & during degree work.
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I always shake with the first.....always been a habit for me.
 
 
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I have to say this and don't take this the wrong way. It's not important that a Brother on the outside of your Lodge knows that you are a mason. I have seen a lot of brothers with emblems on all the time and I won't say a word, no more than I say to the next person. The reason I don't is that I like to see how he conducts himself while displaying his light.

Also, what broke me up from acknowledging Brothers is two experiences; One time I greeted a brother and asked him a simple question, "What is that?" He acted a fool and said,"Is it bothering you!" That is the first question you learn on how to protect your emblem. The second time was when I saw brother and said, "Whats up Light?" he responded, " If you ain't a 33rd or a Shriner you ain't on my level?" "I asked him how do masons meet?" I got no response............Maybe I approached them the wrong way, maybe they were having a bad day......either way that is no way to treat a brother, even if you know the answer or not.
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upstateconnect, I do understand how u feel about that, while I'm on my mail route I have plenty of brothers & sisters, and while I would like to do a quick meet & greet, I get leery on brothers who would try to act "out of pocket"; therefore I look at it as a waste of time.
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I don't mean to distract from the core of the discussion, but is it appropriate to refer to a female in the OES as Sister if you are not in the OES yourself? I wondered that - I'm not in the OES, but have many friends that are at the lodge (wives of Brothers, Widows, etc.) who are - I usually just address them by name... what are your thoughts on this?

Regarding the greeting, I usually ask something along the lines of if they are a Traveling Man - sometimes a straightforward "Are you a Mason?" works... if the situation permits.

Asking a man if he's a Mason is no big deal - don't rush into "advanced" manners of recognition until you have duly tried him. Be mindful of your Ob and you'll be OK.
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Within the Prince Hall Afilliated community, the female members of the Order of Eastern Star are considered our sisters by their membership. We are consider their brothers by our membership to the Masonic Lodge. A Mason does require membership in the OES to address them as Sister and they likewise, address us as Brother.
 
Regarding the greeting, a FellowCraft should be under the same "CAUTION" as an EA. Without yet acquiring the knowledge and skill to identify MM's they should exercise their descretion in revealing their masonic status. In my opinion, MM's should limit their contact and their conversations with FC not from their lodge.
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I will personally refer to any PHA OES as "sister" although I am not a member of the OES.
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I need to correct a statement that I keyed in incorrectly in my previous post. A MM is not required to be a member of the OES to address them as Sisters. Sorry for the confusion.

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W:.B:. Neptune,

Thanks for this clarification.
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Greetings brothers,

  Great questions and comments I just wanted to bring it to your attention if you were not aware that there is a great site its kind of like a facebook for princehall masons and stars it is at www.phamily.ning.com it is great way for networking and events and just meeting new pham. (How good and how pleasent it is for brethren to dwell together in unity)Thumbs%20Up
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 Whats going on Squares! What do you think about a female member of OES greeting a Master Mason with the first degree grip? Also how do you know if a woman is "really" OES if your a Mason but dont have an OES degree?
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I am member of the OES (PHA) and was a patron for over 10 yrs. None of the OES grips are the same as those in the Masonic Lodge. If a lady of the OES has the 1° grip, it was obtained unlawfully.
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Originally posted by watchman watchman wrote:

I am member of the OES (PHA) and was a patron for over 10 yrs. None of the OES grips are the same as those in the Masonic Lodge. If a lady of the OES has the 1° grip, it was obtained unlawfully.


Yep. That is so true.

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How does a Mason really know if a woman is an Eastern Star if he is not a member of OES? There is a woman at my job who claims that she is a STAR and wears OES apparel but there is speculation that she is really not a Eastern Star.... so how do I really know?
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If you are not a member of the Order of Eastern Star you have no way knowing unless she is willing to show you a dues card. Politely let her know that you are a Mason and ask her for her afilliation and chapter information. Take the information to an Eastern Star that would be willing to contact her or verify the information for you. If the woman is unwilling to give you that kind of information, then just treat her like any other co-worker. But brother don't pass judgement on her for not giving you her information for two reasons: 1) You never know what may be going on in someones life or how she was taught to deal with a Mason she does not know; 2) passing judgement could cause you to become bitter toward her and conduct yourself in a manner that is unbecoming a Mason. You should never let that happen, especially at work.
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you can also go get obligated into your OES chapter if you have one
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Originally posted by outkast outkast wrote:

Whenever I meet a brother not known I do so on the 1st degree. I use the LP for a brother leaving the area & during degree work.
 
Same here.
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Some of the descriptors of the first degree grip would lead me to believe that it may have been a coincidence.
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When I wear my light I mostly hear what up sqaure or if someone wants to challeng you ask to see their dues card .
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This is an awesome question. The other day, I was in the chow line and I saw a brother w/ a ring. So I kindly stepped up to him and said the following " How good and how pleasant it is" He stopped me before I could finish. He gave me a regualar handshake, introduced himself and I did the same. It was a wrap after that. 

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I greet them as with anyone else , with a friendly hello . In all my years as a Mason , I am yet to find a reason to try someone outside of a lodge setting  . So greeting someone wearing Masonic INSIGNIAS while in public will go no deeper than hello , how are you etc; etc; .
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If I see someone displaying light.  I just introduce myself as Bro. so and so and I hail from Lodge # so and so out of so and so JUR.  and leave it at that.  But 95% of the time it usually works.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/14/2010 at 2:55am
Its odd, but my experience has been that most of the brothers I have run across want a simple head nod or a quick hand shake.  That is in the largter city that I reside in now. In the smaller town that I used to live in acknowledgment was much more welcoming, and a grip in the first degree was always given.  It seems in the city they are much less open about thier affiliation.  In fact I am considering taking my light off my vehicle becasue some have discussed how "showy" it is.  Anyone else have this kind of experience.  mind you I only have a front plate on my truck and a medallion on the tailgate, so its not like I have it all over my vehicle.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May/10/2010 at 3:46pm
When greeting a MM you always meet that brother on the ground floor.  Degrees 4-33 dont matter if you aint got 1-3.  if a handshake situation comes up..... meet him on the level... if its  speak and go... whats up square, hey bruh, or even travel light bruh would be a good indicator that you are a traveling man just like he is.  To answer the question about a OES.  As the current Patron of my OES chapter a OES member should never grip an MM with a Masonic grip and Vice Versa.  If you dont know her to be a OES then thats just what it is... you are never to TRY a sister and she is never to try you... I personally dont have a issue greetnig bruhs in Masonic Clothing or wearing Masonic Clothing.  People already have a misconception that Masonary is a Secret Organization which is all wrong.  We are just a Organization with secrets just like any other Family, business, or fraternity out there.
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