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Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

I am simply trying to make sure I understand the process, so I will make another attempt to gain the information that I seek.

  1. I have been informed by one source that he was not required to provide any "secret" information in order to gain access.
  2. An examination to gain access to a Tiled Lodge would require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition, which are "secret".
  3. So, does an examination by an Admin/Mod to gain access to the "Tiled" Forums require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition?




PM me the username that stated he was not tried.  I will then tell how he was.    ...  Lawful information is accepted; as well as different questions that maybe asked.   .... The same type questions a Master Mason would expect to be asked outside of the Lodge.    .... Remember one of the problems we have, is all the answers & Masonic secrets are available on the internet. 
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Each and every one of us makes a personal decision whether he enters the tyled section or not. What is a violation of the OB in some jurisdictions, it's not in others. If one feels that he is violating the OB, why is he even asking access?
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Originally posted by canuck canuck wrote:

Each and every one of us makes a personal decision whether he enters the tyled section or not. What is a violation of the OB in some jurisdictions, it's not in others. If one feels that he is violating the OB, why is he even asking access?


As I stated previously, I am only trying to find out if the process would cause me to violate my obligation, as I understand it, prior to requesting access.
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Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

Originally posted by canuck canuck wrote:

Each and every one of us makes a personal decision whether he enters the tyled section or not. What is a violation of the OB in some jurisdictions, it's not in others. If one feels that he is violating the OB, why is he even asking access?


As I stated previously, I am only trying to find out if the process would cause me to violate my obligation, as I understand it, prior to requesting access.


When visiting a new Lodge, would answering their question cause you to violate your OBs?  You've never sat in that Lodge; the members don't know you & you don't know them.   So how is that different than here?
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"As I stated previously, I am only trying to find out if the process would cause me to violate my obligation, as I understand it, prior to requesting access."
No one here(Admins/Mods) are here to cause you to violate your Obs......only you can do that.
The process is like edwmax says. It's no different to visiting a Lodge, where you have to prove yourself.
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Originally posted by edwmax edwmax wrote:

Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

I am simply trying to make sure I understand the process, so I will make another attempt to gain the information that I seek.

  1. I have been informed by one source that he was not required to provide any "secret" information in order to gain access.
  2. An examination to gain access to a Tiled Lodge would require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition, which are "secret".
  3. So, does an examination by an Admin/Mod to gain access to the "Tiled" Forums require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition?




PM me the username that stated he was not tried.  I will then tell how he was.    ...  Lawful information is accepted; as well as different questions that maybe asked.   .... The same type questions a Master Mason would expect to be asked outside of the Lodge.    .... Remember one of the problems we have, is all the answers & Masonic secrets are available on the internet. 
 
He never said someone was not tried. He said they did not have to reveal "secret" information or modes of recognition.
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Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

No problem here, just trying to get a straight answer in order to make a decision.  Is there a problem with that?






Nope.  You are not the first to raise this type of questioning and you probably wont be the last. 

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Originally posted by jaya jaya wrote:

Originally posted by edwmax edwmax wrote:

Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

I am simply trying to make sure I understand the process, so I will make another attempt to gain the information that I seek.

  1. I have been informed by one source that he was not required to provide any "secret" information in order to gain access.
  2. An examination to gain access to a Tiled Lodge would require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition, which are "secret".
  3. So, does an examination by an Admin/Mod to gain access to the "Tiled" Forums require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition?




PM me the username that stated he was not tried.  I will then tell how he was.    ...  Lawful information is accepted; as well as different questions that maybe asked.   .... The same type questions a Master Mason would expect to be asked outside of the Lodge.    .... Remember one of the problems we have, is all the answers & Masonic secrets are available on the internet. 
 
He never said someone was not tried. He said they did not have to reveal "secret" information or modes of recognition.


The problem is: What one is defined as 'modes of recognition'.     Any and all questions used to determine if a person is a Mason, is a 'Mode of Recognition'   .... But your Ritual & OB defines certain signs & grips to secret and how to be communicated.      .... Should I ask someone for one of these, there is a correct answer that I expect to be given, which will NOT violate one's OB.   I normally do not ask these questions, because of the confusion existing in New Masons.  

I just recently heard and explanation for this confusion of which I completely agree.  The New Mason received instruction from an "illiterate Masonic Mentor/Coach" who only knew how to patriot the Catechism.

If anyone answering our questions, believes he will violate his OB; then his answer is wrong and/or he has not been property trained.   ... A further problem arise when trying to tell New Mason being examined his answer is wrong, when he believes it to be correct and as his Coach taught him; therefore the Tyler is not a regular Mason.    ... I normally instruct that Mason to talk to his Coach and get back to me with the correct answer.
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When I was an administrator, my questions would never allow a requester to violate his obligations. I had a weird way of reasonably determining valid Masonic membership – a method that I will not divulge in these open forums since some of the current administrators may use a similar method.

The easiest and safest way is to request an administrator’s email address via a private message and then email a good copy of one’s dues card to him. Sometimes – depending on the Jurisdiction – a front and back copy will need to be sent. If the dues card can be examined and determined to be valid, no questions and answers will be needed.

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Originally posted by Palmetto Bug Palmetto Bug wrote:

When I was an administrator, my questions would never allow a requester to violate his obligations. I had a weird way of reasonably determining valid Masonic membership – a method that I will not divulge in these open forums since some of the current administrators may use a similar method.

The easiest and safest way is to request an administrator’s email address via a private message and then email a good copy of one’s dues card to him. Sometimes – depending on the Jurisdiction – a front and back copy will need to be sent. If the dues card can be examined and determined to be valid, no questions and answers will be needed.

 
How long did it normally take you to validate someone even when they provided the information that you asked for?
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Originally posted by SPHINX524 SPHINX524 wrote:

Originally posted by Palmetto Bug Palmetto Bug wrote:

When I was an administrator, my questions would never allow a requester to violate his obligations. I had a weird way of reasonably determining valid Masonic membership – a method that I will not divulge in these open forums since some of the current administrators may use a similar method.

The easiest and safest way is to request an administrator’s email address via a private message and then email a good copy of one’s dues card to him. Sometimes – depending on the Jurisdiction – a front and back copy will need to be sent. If the dues card can be examined and determined to be valid, no questions and answers will be needed.

 
How long did it normally take you to validate someone even when they provided the information that you asked for?


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You'll have to excuse my ignorance , but coming from OZ we don't have dues cards and since I've not travelled outside this jurisdiction what is a dues card? How do they establish that the person emailing the copy is a mason?
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Schultzy, a dues card is issued to the US brethren on payment of fees. It shows that they are financial.
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Our 'dues card' is almost exactly the same same the travel card/paper TM had when he came to the states.  TM's card (about 4 x 6 in) had the same info on the front side as our cards  (wallet size 2 x 3) on the front & back.   The card indicates the member's dues are paid and in good standing until the end of the year. Thus the name 'dues card'

During the late early/mid 1800s in the US, there was a problem of suspend Masons traveling from Lodge to Lodge asking for assistance.    I think it was the GL of Mass (about 1850 ?), that first suggested the use of membership/dues cards.    This slowly grew next years, but soon visiting Masons were being refused entrance if they could not produce document evidence of being in good standing.

I can email a copy of mine if you would like to see it.   I don't want to give more physical description in the open forums.
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The due card is used almost elusively by US & Canadian Lodges; and, allows visiting new Lodges easier.    In other world GLs, a Mason can visit; but he must be vouched for by a Brother who has sat in a Lodge with him.  This can be a problem when visiting a new Lodge and you do not know anyone there.    Of course with due notice the Lodge Secretary can make arrangements with the other Lodge sending Lawful information of the coming visitation.
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I can understand why everyone wants to ensure that no secret Masonic information is discussed in any of these "un-tyled" forums. It seems to be a moot point though since virtually all Masonic ritual, signs, tokens, and words can be found on the internet thanks to anti-Masonic web sites. With that in mind, even if or when I do gain access to the "tyled" areas, I will not discuss any secret Masonic subjects for the simple fact that I can not guarantee that everyone that has access to those forums is indeed a worthy brother. I have to rely on the web-sites Mods or Admins (not that I don't trust them but they are after all human), that someone is worthy. And unless I verify that all present are worthy, then I am obligated to not speak of any secret subject. So as a rule of thumb, as stated in an earlier post, when in doubt, say nothing. I hate for this to be my first post, but it just seems like a lot of unnecessary banter about a subject that really doesn't need to be discussed.
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It does not matter if things can be found on websites or not. We are obligated to not discuss masonic secrets in any manor where they might be revealed.
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Originally posted by ABrother ABrother wrote:

I can understand why everyone wants to ensure that no secret Masonic information is discussed in any of these "un-tyled" forums.  .....  And unless I verify that all present are worthy, then I am obligated to not speak of any secret subject. So as a rule of thumb, as stated in an earlier post, when in doubt, say nothing. I hate for this to be my first post, but it just seems like a lot of unnecessary banter about a subject that really doesn't need to be discussed.


So when visiting a new Lodge, you personally try each and every Member present before sitting in the Lodge with  them????    .....   Lawful information, includes a vouch from a known Mason.  The Quarrymen forums and the Members there of,   ...  are vouched for by the Admins & Mods.
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Originally posted by ABrother ABrother wrote:

I can understand why everyone wants to ensure that no secret Masonic information is discussed in any of these "un-tyled" forums. It seems to be a moot point though since virtually all Masonic ritual, signs, tokens, and words can be found on the internet thanks to anti-Masonic web sites. With that in mind, even if or when I do gain access to the "tyled" areas, I will not discuss any secret Masonic subjects for the simple fact that I can not guarantee that everyone that has access to those forums is indeed a worthy brother. I have to rely on the web-sites Mods or Admins (not that I don't trust them but they are after all human), that someone is worthy. And unless I verify that all present are worthy, then I am obligated to not speak of any secret subject. So as a rule of thumb, as stated in an earlier post, when in doubt, say nothing. I hate for this to be my first post, but it just seems like a lot of unnecessary banter about a subject that really doesn't need to be discussed.
FYI, even those who are granted access to the tyled forums, we like Members to adhere to their Obs as we can't be 100% sure to their authenticity, unless we have sat in Lodge with them.
 
 
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Jaya: That is exactly what I mean. The internet as a whole (weather it is a tyled message board or not) is not a secure place to discuss Masonic topics.

edwmax: When I visit another lodge, I am the one that has to be tried to prove myself. That being said, once I am accepted by those brothers, I am still careful about what I discuss around those I don't know until I believe them to be worthy brothers.

tm274: That is basically what I was trying to say. I am not sure how many members there are on this forum, but I am pretty sure it is safe to say that no one has sat in lodge with every verified brother. So since no one can be 100% cetain of a brother's status, care should be taken when discussing secret Masonic topics. And you are correct, you know nothing about me because I am a new member. I do plan on becoming an active participant in this forum, so I do plan on requesting access to the "tyled" forums so hopefully we can become better accquainted as brothers in the future. Also, I am not trying to make a big deal out of any of this, I just think it is important for people to realized that nothing on the computer is 100% secure and discussing any secret information should be done so with a great deal of care because of that fact. For any Admins or Mods that thought I was questioning their ability to determine a brother's status, please know that that was not my intention even though I realize that it came out that way.
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Originally posted by ABrother ABrother wrote:

Jaya: That is exactly what I mean. The internet as a whole (weather it is a tyled message board or not) is not a secure place to discuss Masonic topics.

edwmax: When I visit another lodge, I am the one that has to be tried to prove myself. That being said, once I am accepted by those brothers, I am still careful about what I discuss around those I don't know until I believe them to be worthy brothers.

tm274: That is basically what I was trying to say. I am not sure how many members there are on this forum, but I am pretty sure it is safe to say that no one has sat in lodge with every verified brother. So since no one can be 100% cetain of a brother's status, care should be taken when discussing secret Masonic topics. And you are correct, you know nothing about me because I am a new member. I do plan on becoming an active participant in this forum, so I do plan on requesting access to the "tyled" forums so hopefully we can become better accquainted as brothers in the future. Also, I am not trying to make a big deal out of any of this, I just think it is important for people to realized that nothing on the computer is 100% secure and discussing any secret information should be done so with a great deal of care because of that fact. For any Admins or Mods that thought I was questioning their ability to determine a brother's status, please know that that was not my intention even though I realize that it came out that way.
Some have sat  in Lodge(me included) with brethren of this forum,even overseas( I was in the US last year) so I can be satisfied.
We prefer that NO secrets are ever "revealed" on this forum at any time, purely because it is an Internet and not a Lodge.
 
My other point was, that we have an "Introduction" forum and were you to tell a little about yourself, you just may find members who just may live near your neighbourhood.


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Again I appologize for any misunderstanding. I interpereted the post that tyled forums are not really tyled as meaning that tyled forums WERE tyled which led me to believe that one could speak freely about any Masonic subject secret or not. I am glad to hear that that is not the case. Thanks for letting me know about the "Introduction" forum. I will check that out as soon as I finish this post.
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Originally posted by ABrother ABrother wrote:

Jaya: That is exactly what I mean. The internet as a whole (weather it is a tyled message board or not) is not a secure place to discuss Masonic topics.

edwmax: When I visit another lodge, I am the one that has to be tried to prove myself. That being said, once I am accepted by those brothers, I am still careful about what I discuss around those I don't know until I believe them to be worthy brothers.

 
    ... But that is not what posted.      ... While there is a 'Tyled' area of the forums od while the members have proven them selves to be Master Masons.  The problem is that not every one is recognizes by GLs of the other members.    The  Tyled area is simply for the  private discussion of Masonic issues to the extent one feels his OBs allow; it is not an "internet Lodge"    ... If you do not want to participate, you do not have to.
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Please read my post dated: 30/May/2011 at 2:27am. I do plan to become an active member of this forum because I think it will be great to be able to learn from other perspectives of Masonry worldwide. Can we please consider this matter closed because I do not want this discussion to define me as a member. I was simply voicing a concern and my concern has been relieved.
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Don't worry about it too much. People will look at each post on an individual basis. We all do not agree on everything but do tend to treat each other with respect. Actually your post shows up for me as 3:27 am. It depends on what you have your timezone set to as to what time it displays as.
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Thanks. I just today figured out how to use the "quote" action to reply so hopefully I will not have to deal with time zone issues again.
Y'all, still 12 hours behind me 'n daves & Co.Tongue
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I see no one has posted in here in a while. The fact of the matter is nothing that we do or say is secret...not a Single thing. Anything and everything and I do mean everything that anyone could ever want to know about free masonry is available in literature online at libraries and can be purchased at many book stores. Given that fact and given the various modes of recognition in different jurisdictions, the only real true way to know if a brother is who he says he is is to see his current active dues card.
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Originally posted by Adept? Adept? wrote:

I see no one has posted in here in a while. The fact of the matter is nothing that we do or say is secret...not a Single thing. Anything and everything and I do mean everything that anyone could ever want to know about free masonry is available in literature online at libraries and can be purchased at many book stores. Given that fact and given the various modes of recognition in different jurisdictions, the only real true way to know if a brother is who he says he is is to see his current active dues card.


Really?  I know a few secrets, and I am not telling.

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Originally posted by Adept? Adept? wrote:

I see no one has posted in here in a while. The fact of the matter is nothing that we do or say is secret...not a Single thing. Anything and everything and I do mean everything that anyone could ever want to know about free masonry is available in literature online at libraries and can be purchased at many book stores. Given that fact and given the various modes of recognition in different jurisdictions, the only real true way to know if a brother is who he says he is is to see his current active dues card.
I am of the opinion that every mm should learn duncans or snippets of it. Remember, your jurisdiction's ritual is different than an expose`. You will be able to trip up anyone faking an oral exam with the wording. Especially if they claim to be from your state. Be familiar with the cowans tools as they will never measure up to yours. ;)

Also, I see a lot of brethren worried about the private forums. You are knocking on the door of your own free will. If you think youre going to break your OB then dont ask for access. Imho...
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I find someone using duncans for his answers he will not get access.   Duncan is trash. It was never a ritual manual, but an expose' for the unknowing. Pieces are left out and words out of order.    ... Duncan is a good resource for the clandestine, for they do not know any better.
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Lock it down till Max can send emails to all Brothers Sec. of their lodge to see if they are in good standing and their dues is paid up.. What you think Max? 
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Originally posted by simple man simple man wrote:

Lock it down till Max can send emails to all Brothers Sec. of their lodge to see if they are in good standing and their dues is paid up.. What you think Max? 


Why ... I think you misunderstood   ... It is up to the user to prove he is in good standing.
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Just a note to any new Freemasons who are interested in learning from Duncan's I'd strongly advise against it. Even if your lodge uses a ritual very similar to what's in the book, you're doing yourself a huge injustice by using it. Learning the work is hard and takes time and effort but you will only get out of the Craft what you put into it. Learning from a coach strengthens both of you in your work, and will help you truly internalize what the words mean.
I like the idea of a tiled forum because I think it could be an excellent resource for education and research as long as none of the signs, tokens, words or rituals are revealed. As a new MM I would be hesitant to participate at this time because I'm still figuring out what is and what isn't appropriate to discuss. For those who know what they're doing, I think it's a great idea.

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Remember your obligations, & honor both what is to be sacred and or what was intrusted to you in private and keep it that way. With respect I only feel comfortable speaking of things published in books etc... It keeps me within due bounds yet their our some things that are published I still will have no comment. In other words be careful my true brother's and if we need to get deep let us try each other & confirm on telephone or in privacy more especially in lodge if possible.

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