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I am a Prince Hall Mason, however die to pesonal issues I have not been active for many months.  I am currently seeking a new lodge in my new hometown that has a few more younger members than the large PHA lodges.  There is a group of men that call themselves Modern Free and accepted Scottish Rite masons that have been very welcoming to me, however I have been very reluctant because I have read that Modern Free was disbanded in the 50's in a court case.  A few years later however they apparently joined the Scottish Rite and I have been told they are considered regular masons and not clandestine anymore.  Is this true?  Let it be know before anyone asks that I have not engaged in Masonic intercourse with any members because I feel they clandestine, but the members are very aggressive.
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     These are the only regular Scottish Rite jurisdictions in the southern jurisdiction of the United States.  Any organization claiming to be Scottish Rite and have jurisdiction over the Craft Degrees are irregular. 
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Whereupon, it is considered, ordered and adjudged, That the defendant, Supreme Grand Lodge, Modern Free and Accepted Colored Masons of the World, be, and it is hereby, enjoined, collectively and individually, including the agents, officers, associates and representatives,

(a) From appropriating and employing the ritual ceremonies of the plaintiff and using any insignia, name, emblem, badge, symbol or paraphernalia of the plaintiff;

(b) From using the words 'Free and Accepted' in its orders, by-laws, initiations, publications, letterheads, or otherwise. 

Nothing has changed since then that I'm aware.   
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The answer is simple.   If the MF&AF is in the same town & state as the PHA and not part of the PHA or recognized by the PHA,    they are clandestine.

Their history & web-page:   http://www.modernfree.com/History.htm
If I remember correctly this is a group that William Banks joined (co-founded ??) after being expelled from the PHA.  And, subsequently expelled from the MF&AM before founding the IF&AM.
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They are in Chicago.  I have met some of them.  Yes, they are Clandestine without a shadow of a doubt.  Its a shame that so many of these BOGUS groups prey on the misinformed.  They know that alot of transgressions can be hidden under a veil of secrecy. Some of them self-stylize themselves and make Women masons.

Have you tried to visit other PHA Lodges?  I'm sure you will find one that is more to your style and taste.

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I am about to visit a local PHA.  I have been looking for a younger lodge in my area.   Most are filled with gentlemen who are in late 50's and above, and they are not very active.  However I have been blessed to meet a brother who is very active in a local lodge.  Truly looking forward to becoming active again.  To address the topic a bit further, this modern free group that I am speaking on preys on brothers like myself because its members are so young and so active.  Its truly a shame because there are many PHA members joining this gorup because they are a very active group and they are all in thier 20- 30's and early 40's.  They do not realize that if they would just remain PHA maybe some of the stagnant lodges would become more active.  I am praying that my experience will be a positive one and I can continue in my masonic experience.  Thak you brothers for your responses.  They brought verification to my feelings.
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Its also funny you mention Chicago, one of the men told me he is about to make reservations for a conclave in Chicago.
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Chicago has so many irregular Grand Lodges it's ridiculous! 
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Brother, there is one next to every liquor store, across the street from a Church and a Currency exchange! The only other place even close is Detroit.

You all might be very interested in these articles:

http://www.thephylaxis.org/walkes/bogus.php

http://www.thephylaxis.org/walkes/gm_conf.php

I was at a party, this girl gave me a weird grip and she greeted my JW the same way.  We looked at each other Like "What the @#!@ was that?"   She told us she was a female mason.  I think I hurt her feelings when I asked if she was from France.



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Originally posted by BroEM357 BroEM357 wrote:

Brother, there is one next to every liquor store, across the street from a Church and a Currency exchange! The only other place even close is Detroit.

You all might be very interested in these articles:

http://www.thephylaxis.org/walkes/bogus.php

http://www.thephylaxis.org/walkes/gm_conf.php

I was at a party, this girl gave me a weird grip and she greeted my JW the same way.  We looked at each other Like "What the @#!@ was that?"   She told us she was a female mason.  I think I hurt her feelings when I asked if she was from France.



Lol @ asking if from France. I feel you.
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ok I know this may be getting old, but as I stated in a previous post today I was supposed to be meeting a brother to discuss joining his lodge.  Well I called him to meet and one of the first things he tells me this time is that "oh by the way im not Prince Hall Im affiliated with king Solomon."  I asked him what Grand Lodge it was associated with and he reiterrated King Solomon.  I feel secure its clandestine, but just to check has anyone ever heard of this group?
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Yes.

http://www.ksgrandlodge.com/main.html

This is their website.  Of course they are in Chicago, the home for Bogus Masonry.

Check this out, it is a list of the Known Bogus Lodges in your state.

http://www.thephylaxis.org/bogus/bogus_la.php


They are so called Modern Free and Accepted.... Think about the Decepticons, they just reform themselves after being discovered or sued and pick a new name to get another Non-for-Profit (Trust me they ARE for Pro$it!)  Tax Id number. Its fraud on a Grand Scale.


 
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Chicago may the home of bogus masonry, but apparently Baton Rouge is is trying to make a run at the title
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It took me a long long time to knock on the door and petition Prince Hall.  However I was approached (Keyword - Approached) several time by many parties about So called Masonry.  I have seen ads, websites and any number of car emblems and jackets.  People wearing light in the most gaudy manor.   Once I even saw a Porn Star wearing a Silver Square and Compass while he was doing his thang!  It tarnishes our Legacy and the reputation of our Fraternity.  In many southern states it plays out in the negative stereotypes that exist and keep the Bigots from sharing recognition with Real Prince Hall Lodges.  Alot of this is because of the behavior and perception of So-Called  "BLACK MASONS." 

Real Prince Hall Masonry doesn't get much attention, they are honesty content with what they have accomplished and quietly keep building their Temples. Working in Charity and busy combating a huge void in our Communities.   The African American community is attention-starved for major acceptance, some sort of badge of honor,  because of our nation's history.  Look at the Gang problems in America.  In College the Greek Fraternities are very crucial and Great Organizations (I am not KNOCKING them)  but how many College Students know about Prince Hall?  Individuals are few and far between. 

 Most Brothers will just not talk about it.  That's the problem, because I strongly feel its a Major problem.  You cannot say you got a Degree from Grambling or Southern, Tulane of LSU unless you walk that stage and studied.  More people will Graduate from College than become actual Freemasons  WHY SHOULD OUR DEGREES BE Cheapened?  They are FRAUDS and they exploit the Unknowing.   They play for profit mindgames and exploit this sense of belonging.  IT cheapens the Legacy and Sacrifices that our Founder Prince Hall and 14 other Great Brothers took in 1776 when, after not being accepted by MainStream Freemasonry, took Many years to receive a REAL Charter from the United Grand Lodge of England.   They did achieve this goal and became very successful.  They fought Slavery, Established many Churches and were Pioneers in every aspect of American Society.  They truly changed this world for the better.  If they knew this Truth, and had the choice of the Real Thing, I feel they would have something to Truly be Proud of.


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There are a lot of MFAM in my state.
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Those of the guys with the key under the S and C I think?

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They are a joke to say the least. LOL
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It is amazing how pushy they are.  I am PHA and proud to be a part of the lineage of such a amazing man as Prince Hall.  For them to be so callous about thier status as masons is insulting even to one as new and inactive as I have been.  They think nothing of telling me to just switch.  If they take such pride in being whatever they are how would they feel if we just told them switch it dont matter.  Now I have told a couple that they are members of a calndestine organization, however I did so with an understanding of the fact they embarked on that journey with the same excitement and desire as I embarked on mine. I take into account that they belived they were joining a true masonic body.  But they dont use any consideration when telling me to just switch.  Its really insulting.
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Originally posted by newlight newlight wrote:

It is amazing how pushy they are.  I am PHA and proud to be a part of the lineage of such a amazing man as Prince Hall.  For them to be so callous about thier status as masons is insulting even to one as new and inactive as I have been.  They think nothing of telling me to just switch.  If they take such pride in being whatever they are how would they feel if we just told them switch it don't matter.  Now I have told a couple that they are members of a clandestine organization, however I did so with an understanding of the fact they embarked on that journey with the same excitement and desire as I embarked on mine. I take into account that they believed they were joining a true masonic body.  But they don't use any consideration when telling me to just switch.  Its really insulting.
 
Because to them, either the history of their origin doesn't matter, or they've been told that being incorporated makes them legal to be Freemasons.  Most of the time, you can give them proof of the irregularity of the G.L. Charters and they still won't believe you.  It's very disconcerting.
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They are as clandestine as clandestine can be.  Run for the nearest PHA lodge.  And since you are in the Boot, have you not looked at any other surrounding city, i.e. New Orleans etc.  I know it is a nice little drive but it would be worth it, instead of falling victim to the Modern Scam.At a loss
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Originally posted by edwmax edwmax wrote:

The answer is simple.   If the MF&AF is in the same town & state as the PHA and not part of the PHA or recognized by the PHA,    they are clandestine.

Their history & web-page:   http://www.modernfree.com/History.htm
If I remember correctly this is a group that William Banks joined (co-founded ??) after being expelled from the PHA.  And, subsequently expelled from the MF&AM before founding the IF&AM.
 
This sect was founded in 1917. Wasn't this a little before Banks' time??? If he created the Internationals in 1954 (?), at around age 50, he would have been too young.
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The Internationals (Banks) are an offspring of the Moderns.  Banks was expelled from the Moderns then created IF&AM.




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Why would a Grand Lodge have an affiliation with Scottish Rite? This group is very clandestine.
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you think your city is bad......Baldwin Hall as in the Modern Free Headquaters named after Jerry Baldwin is hear in Columbus, Ga
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Brother you are not joking about Columbus, Ga. My lodge was down the road in Albany.  Everytime we headed to Columbus/Ft Benning, you were bound to run into one....
Always a confrontation with those Kats, and please don't cross the border into on the Alabama side, all you heard was "You must be PHA"
 
Same way in the ATL, with Smooth Ashlar Grand Lodge FAAYM PHO "Compact"
 
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Bro Edward King's masonicinfo.com website was one of the first pages I had the fortune to find when I was doing research on Freemasonry.  http://www.masonicinfo.com/fakemasonry.htm

Driving around Chicago I didn't know the difference between IF&AM from MF&AM of the St. James from St. Johns... All Irregular and Bogus groups.  This was before being Raised, I'm just remembering back.   As an Outsider at the time I thought "Well, aren't all Masons the Same?"  You see the emblems, sweatshirts, Car emblems, Jackets, Belt buckets and you think Masons.  I have seen Ministers and members of my own Church wear a Masonic Pen or Ring and when they found out I was Prince Hall they suddenly stopped.   Alot of time they win the Numbers and Advertising game (They do advertise!)  battle and I'm certain they party and may you feel right at home.

One story, I was driving with a Brother when I was an EA and we passed a car with the S &C with a Key at the bottom.  I asked "Are you going to Blow and Wave?"  He replied "No, they aren't us."  He went on to explain the differences but even after getting my first,  I didn't quite know the difference.  I am glad that I do now.

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Without question Modern Free & Accepted Masons are a Clandestine Group calling themselves Masons.... They use to meet on the South Side of Chicago {1550 W. 87plc} Old AT&T Building. Someone I know was sucked into them he was there until he learned the difference between them {Clandestine} and Regular {MS & PHA}. It is my understanding they are falling apart after they lost there meeting location. I heard some migrated to Prince Hall {Cottage Grove}. The only thing I ever heard about them being active was drinking and parting nothing in the area of charity and community service. Stay away from them....... I also here they often have events at Mr. G's Entertainment on 87 & Ashland Ave stay away from there. 
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When i first got back to the states as a newly rasied brother, i went out to club that i know a lot of brothers and sisters hang out at, not to go and show boat but to socialize and network.  So a dude I didn't know was eyeballing my belt   i looked at him and he gave me the sign so o went to greet the brother and we chopped it up a bit, not much about the craft  he just asked what lodge after about 5 minutes of conversation we parted ways about a week later i see him at walmart he asked me to be back at the club on friday, i get to the club friday about 2300 he saw me waved me over and boy was he drunk... he said i got something for you, we walked over and a lady was sitting at the bar he introduced me to her and and walked off 5-6 minutes later he came back and asked so whats up what yall gonna do i said "nothing, i appreciate it and all but i'm married man, he said " me too, this my wife" Disapprove I told him sorry dog i can't get down with that... later that Jazz the owner of the club and Freemason came up to me and asked me about what happened cause he watched everything go down.   I told him "dude just offered me his wife" he finally told  my that buddy was not a active member of PHA or any lodge in Colorado Springs, he once tried to sit in during a passing at pikes peak # 5 in Colorado Springs but was denied, not because his dues card was expired but because he was in fact Modern Free out of California.   I don't know what they doing in california but they're giving masons everywhere a bad name.

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I wouldn't blame California.  There are Clandestine bodies everywhere.  it is THEY that are giveing Masons a bad name.
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Wow!  He was def a clandie because we would never do this "Knowing them to be such."

I am finally starting to see how all these rumors started.  When I told my wife that I wanted to send in my petition for Prince Hall, she had some strong negative impressions about us.   She thought that Masonry was Satanic, ungodly, heathen practice of orgies and devil worship.  It took some very frank discussions, family history, call from My PWM AUntie and Alot of reading to convince her otherwise.

Introducing her to my friend Brother Harper, his wife, my Pastor and my Investigation Committee chairperson Rev Brown, who listened and answered her questions in a very open manor.  She was very impressed by our charity work, active community church participation and civil responsibility.  But I do admit this took ALOT of proof to dispel the rumors.

Brother Man, if I had taken her to the club and this had gone down....Censored

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I always tell people that if freemasonry was full of heathen orgies then there would be ALOT more members. LOL
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"The only way to solve the problem of Clandestine Masons is to cut of their lifeline of new members by Marketing the solid product of "Mainstream & Prince Hall" Freemasonry on the same note to inform those who are seeking to be a Mason the difference it will take time but eventually the number of Clandestine Lodges can be eliminated. But we in "MS & PHA" have to combine our forces to battle the thorn in the side of American Freemasonry. Clap
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Originally posted by Stuntman98 Stuntman98 wrote:

When i first got back to the states as a newly rasied brother, i went out to club that i know a lot of brothers and sisters hang out at, not to go and show boat but to socialize and network.  So a dude I didn't know was eyeballing my belt   i looked at him and he gave me the sign so o went to greet the brother and we chopped it up a bit, not much about the craft  he just asked what lodge after about 5 minutes of conversation we parted ways about a week later i see him at walmart he asked me to be back at the club on friday, i get to the club friday about 2300 he saw me waved me over and boy was he drunk... he said i got something for you, we walked over and a lady was sitting at the bar he introduced me to her and and walked off 5-6 minutes later he came back and asked so whats up what yall gonna do i said "nothing, i appreciate it and all but i'm married man, he said " me too, this my wife" Disapprove I told him sorry dog i can't get down with that... later that Jazz the owner of the club and Freemason came up to me and asked me about what happened cause he watched everything go down.   I told him "dude just offered me his wife" he finally told  my that buddy was not a active member of PHA or any lodge in Colorado Springs, he once tried to sit in during a passing at pikes peak # 5 in Colorado Springs but was denied, not because his dues card was expired but because he was in fact Modern Free out of California.   I don't know what they doing in california but they're giving masons everywhere a bad name.

 
Not to type-cast a whole organization, but I have heard this from another gentleman who left Modern Free.  About 4 years ago, he told me he had just been raised and attended a function of theirs and there were rooms where the woman of their OES performed many favors for MANY of the guys.  He wondered when they were going to ask him to share his wife!  He said it happened all the time and he never went back to another meeting.  He thought these were the secrets of FreemasonryPinch.  
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Originally posted by Traveler357 Traveler357 wrote:

"The only way to solve the problem of Clandestine Masons is to cut of their lifeline of new members by Marketing the solid product of "Mainstream & Prince Hall" Freemasonry on the same note to inform those who are seeking to be a Mason the difference it will take time but eventually the number of Clandestine Lodges can be eliminated. But we in "MS & PHA" have to combine our forces to battle the thorn in the side of American Freemasonry. Clap
 
 
I agree with you wholeheartedly and Freemasonry as a whole will be better if this can be accomplished.
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Clandie of the Week:  Nehemiah Grand Lodge

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 I swear i'm going to start taking pictures because I see a new phonie each and every week here on the South side.  Posers....

I was at Popeye's getting some Spicy with the red beans n rice and this poor soul tried to hail me up.  I didn't even blink.  I wasn't even wearing any Light cuz, I never do.  He had a Nehemiah Grand Lodge FAMM jacket on.  My wife was like "What is that #$%@?"  When we are around non-masons we have a code because it happens all the time so I told her  I...C..B....

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Hummm ... I..C...B   is   Idiot ... Clandie ...Bro    ... Thumbs Up
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Is that what ICB really means or would one of u like to PM me what it means? :D

But yeh. Wow @ these stories. Yet to meet a clandie though. I heard they are all over Birmingham. (take that back, I did meet 1 clandie though, but not as bold as some of these cats in these stories)
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"The only way to solve the problem of Clandestine Masons is to cut of their lifeline of new members by Marketing the solid product of "Mainstream & Prince Hall" Freemasonry on the same note to inform those who are seeking to be a Mason the difference it will take time but eventually the number of Clandestine Lodges can be eliminated. But we in "MS & PHA" have to combine our forces to battle the thorn in the side of American Freemasonry. Clap 
Smib. I wonder if MS has a big problem with Clandies like PH does in these parts?
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For me it mean Irregular, Clandestine, Bogus...
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Do you mind if my wife and I adopt this coded language? lol Yes
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Isn't it funny when a "ICB", lol, gets upset when you tell them that you can not Masonically converse with them!  Like, you have the problem, lol!  When I explain to them why, they say I'm taking this recognition thing to seriously and I don't fully understand my ob.  Seriously?!?

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Of course brothers! Wink
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I usually just smile and change the subject  "How about dem Bears, Bulls or White Sox?"  I wonder, do our mainstream Brothers have the same problems?
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Originally posted by BroEM357 BroEM357 wrote:

I wonder, do our mainstream Brothers have the same problems?
Although I am relatively new to masonry, I was wondering the same thing after reading some of the threads here. After talking to brothers in my lodge, it is not that big of an issue. At least, it is not where I live. There is however, a clandy "esoteric mason" group about 3 miles from my lodge. One is in Ridgecrest NC and is basically a group for spiritual healers, whatever that is. That on is the Universal Gnostic Fellowship and is a part of the Ancent, Accepted & Esoteric Freemasons. Reading what they have online is nothing but strange junk to me.
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Yeh I wondered the same thing too. I think it's more prevalent among Prince Hall masons.
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The problem does exist, just look at it as Regular PHA & MS(i wish there was a better term) vs ICB which are all other affiliations. They pose a problem to us because of race (IF&AM, MF&AM, and other predominantly AA ICB bodies) and also pose as a problem to our other Regular Brothers being that they pose as PH and try to gain entry into our portals. Also mislead the public and do wrong and fraud good people under the guise of Masonry.
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