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Adrian N. Gollop
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Good point. There's also the fact that there's new language/abbreviations which they use sometimes giving new meanings and expressions.
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GrimoireA3
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While still emphasized in Great Britain, the study of Rhetoric has all but disappeared from the general public school curriculum in the USA.
Rhetoric has four elements: 1.) Bathos - When a writer falls into inconsequential and absurd metaphors to be increasingly emotional, i.e. the 'anti-climax'. 2.) Pathos - appeal to the emotions of the audience (what lawyers do to the jury to win their case, not find the truth). 3.)Ethos - guiding beliefs or ideals that characterize a community. 4.) Logos - To reason dispassionately using logic or any system of reasoning. Learn your logical fallacies. What Sherlock Holmes did to solve a crime. Rhetoric and 'debate' needs to be reemphasized in America. |
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windrider
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This is one of my "hot buttons", too. I'm a moderator on a very popular forum geared toward those who would like to join the Fraternity. I see constant misuse of common words, "text spelling", misspelled words, lack of punctuation and grammatical errors that would have earned me a smack on the knuckles with a ruler back in high school.
One of the most common errors I see is the misuse of the word "apart". I will often see sentences along the lines of: "I want to be apart of the Masons." Well, you already are, my friend. I think you meant to say, "I want to be a part of the Masons." A wonderful example of the contribution punctuation lends to understanding is, "Eats shoots and leaves." as in, "The Panda eats shoots and leaves." The hunter eats, shoots and leaves. What a difference a comma can make. |
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windrider
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Foreigners I can understand. Most of them are hardly intelligible. The ones that are from the US and can't spell, use grammar or punctuation are the ones I want to tell to come back when they learn to write. What do teachers do these days? It must drive them insane to see a large portion of young adults being functionally illiterate. The excuse is usually: "I'm using a mobile device." To which I answer, "So am I. It simply takes a little effort to proof read before you hit submit." Perhaps I've been doing this too long...
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Sec'yBob
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I worked at a High School for awhile after retirement. As I was walking in the hallway, I spied a piece of paper on the floor, and thinking some student might need it, I picked it up with the intent on returning it to them. This is what I found: It was a 8 1/2 x11 piece of paper, torn from a spiral binder. At the very top, was "my summer vacation" the quotes are mine. Then immediately after that it starts, with a description of the vacation. All sentences ran together, no punctuation, no capital letters,
in print, not cursive, and a ton of misspelled words. It filled the page completely right to the very bottom. There was no name on the paper, no class nor anything else, but the teacher signed it with her initials, and gave the student a B+ This was just 4 years ago. That kid is probably out in the work force by now. Bob Bauer Secretary Meramec Lodge #313 DDGM Dist #24 |
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Sec'yBob
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I just thought of another incident at the same high school. My supervisor was the 9th grade principal and we were good friends and almost exactly the same age. He approached me one day and asked if I thought education has improved since we were in school. I told him a resounding NO. He seemed upset and a mild debate began. As we were talking, the bell range for passing, and we were standing in the hall, so we stepped aside to let the students go by. While there, he sees a student coming and says to me, I will prove that I am right, Brandon here, is a very good student. I will test him and show you are wrong. He calls the kid over, and says to him....." I want to ask you a simple question, no tricks, and please give me a simple best answer. Brandon agrees, so the Principal asked him "Who won the Civil War?" and he replies "That's easy, the Germans"
True story!
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windrider
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That's exactly what I'm talking about. What possesses teachers to allow a high school student to be illiterate? |
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(movie reference) |
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(That's exactly what I'm talking about. What possesses teachers to allow a high school student to be illiterate? ) Teachers do not "allow" students to be illiterate any more than policemen allow people to become criminals or doctors allow their patients to contract a behavior related disease. The reasons for student failure are legion, but I can assure you that poor teaching is at the bottom of the list. |
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windrider
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How does a student progress up the grades without achieving the minimum standards of literacy for the prior grade? My wife had to repeat a couple of grades due to her inability to meet minimum standards. A high school student should know the rules of grammar, punctuation, spelling and be capable of revising a report after proof reading. Is it the teacher who gives a B+ for a document that is nearly indecipherable? Is it the school that wants to just move them along? Is it the school system measuring the wrong things in evaluating those schools and teachers? I don't know the answer but it may be all of them and more. We as a society are not serving our children or ourselves by providing inadequate education. I'm reminded of the old movie "Idiocracy". Edited by windrider - October/05/2016 at 1:03pm |
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Amen.
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Sec'yBob
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Wind rider you may have hit the nail on the head The school district I worked for had a slogan which at this time I cannot remember, but it said that everyone moves along in progression The school district I live in says " No student left behind" I suppose we are not allowed to fail anyone, you know, individual rights, equal rights, everybodies rights to entitlement.
Third graders have rights to not be left behind even if they fail to perform and pass.!!!! even if it affects their performance in later grades. And Bro Scuba Steve.........the Germans did not bomb Pearl Harbor, my neighbor told me it was photoshopped just like the moon landing.
Do I sound bitter??????
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Now that's closer to the truth. The myriad of districts with their highly variable requirements and the ill-informed state legislators who attempt to legislate educational reform as if they're dealing with a factory churning out widgets. All of these things, and more, conspire to defeat the best efforts of the teacher to educate kids.
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Sec'yBob
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I have had kids at my school, tell me that the Holocaust never happened also.
When I question them they tell me one of two things: Their parents told them it is not true, or They don't believe it because it is impossible to think that that many people were murdered.
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I have never been to the moon, but I have been to the Arizona Memorial at Pearl Harbor and have also been to the camp at Dachau. Let me tell you, this stuff was not Photo Shopped! And yes, I did get the reference to Animal House!
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Edited by WBScott - October/07/2016 at 11:14am |
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I too was at Dachau and cried almost all the way through. Very sad Today's children however are being influenced by adults who ...............well I will leave that alone for fear of being banned from this site. |
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