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Topic: Claims we make.
Posted By: windrider
Subject: Claims we make.
Date Posted: October/14/2015 at 2:34pm
Having been an avid seeker of light regarding our beloved Fraternity, I have encountered some claims made by both conspiracy theorists and from brothers that are believable but completely false. For example, the Great Seal on the dollar bill has nothing to do with us. 

One statement I've seen on this very forum is we originated the "Third Degree" as in "Give him the Third Degree" on a cop show. My understanding is that this is not a reference to the Master Mason Degree but to the Third Degree of torture during the Inquisition.

From the article "Torture, Terror and Theology" from the Christian Research Institute  http://www.equip.org/article/torture-terror-and-theology/

The Infamous “Third Degree.” Whence comes the term, “the third degree”? From the Inquisition, of course! It was all a matter of the nature and duration of the torment. The first degree involved cutting off the victim’s clothing and showing him the instruments of torture. The second started the torture itself, to be sustained no longer than the time it took for an inquisitor to recite a single Ave Maria or Pater Noster—probably about one minute. The third degree was full torture itself, and without such time limits.

I wonder how many other things we claim as originating with the Craft have nothing to do with us?



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Master, Webmaster, Lodge Ambassador
Ancient York Lodge AF&AM

Lowell, MA

God never sends us anything we can't handle. Sometimes I wish He didn't trust me so much. - Mother Teresa



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Posted By: Adept?
Date Posted: October/15/2015 at 7:36am
I know that I have said that the third degree saying comes from us on here somewhere, just don't remember where.  I saw it on a History Channel show "America's Secret Slang" They said that it originated with us, and our third degree... who knows...

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"It is humanity that creates god, and men think that god has made them in his image, because they make him in theirs."


Posted By: lightbound
Date Posted: October/16/2015 at 1:06am
Yeah, I never really understood why it would be so bad to give the third degree if it meant the third degree in Masonry...also, the third degree didn't originally exist.  

The Inquisition reference makes waaaaay more sense.


Posted By: scout
Date Posted: October/16/2015 at 12:59pm
Check this out:

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/372300.html


Posted By: lightbound
Date Posted: October/18/2015 at 3:43am
heeeeeeeeeeey that's pretty cool too


Posted By: NewToLight84
Date Posted: October/19/2015 at 8:58pm
How about being "Black Balled"? I have never personally researched it's origins..But, now that I asked that, I have to!

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"Be careful how you live. You may be the only Mason some people will ever meet." -unknown


Posted By: Warrior1256
Date Posted: October/20/2015 at 10:44am
True.

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St. Matthews Lodge 906
Suburban Lodge 740


Posted By: Warrior1256
Date Posted: October/20/2015 at 10:46am
StarI find this interesting also!

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St. Matthews Lodge 906
Suburban Lodge 740


Posted By: windrider
Date Posted: October/21/2015 at 2:17pm
I do believe that "black balled", "Square Deal", "On the Level", and many other expressions do come from our Fraternity. Square and compasses on the maps of Washington DC; The Great Seal of the US; and several other things do not. We only end up feeding the delusions of the conspiracy theorists if we claim that which is not rightfully ours.



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Master, Webmaster, Lodge Ambassador
Ancient York Lodge AF&AM

Lowell, MA

God never sends us anything we can't handle. Sometimes I wish He didn't trust me so much. - Mother Teresa



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