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Topic: Tiled Forums Are Not Really Tiled
Posted By: Palmetto Bug
Subject: Tiled Forums Are Not Really Tiled
Date Posted: November/08/2009 at 6:40pm
All should remember that - though these forums use the word "tiled" - they are not in any way, shape, or form the same as a tiled lodge. With that said, all are advised to be very careful when it comes to discussing ritual or the internal business of one's lodge or Grand Lodge.
 
All are also reminded that there are folks that have access to the "tiled" sections that may not necessarily be from Grand Jurisdictions recognized by your particular Grand Jurisdiction.


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Posted By: joshuhwha
Date Posted: November/08/2009 at 8:31pm
so.. whats the point? and that sure does arise alot of thoughts in my head about that spot- hmmm...... thats not good.

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Joshua
Master Mason
Richmond Michigan Lodge #187


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: November/08/2009 at 9:22pm
Originally posted by joshuhwha joshuhwha wrote:

so.. whats the point? and that sure does arise alot of thoughts in my head about that spot- hmmm...... thats not good.
 
 
So you see no point in having a "Tyled" area.?????
 


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Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: joshuhwha
Date Posted: November/10/2009 at 9:28am
If there are people maybe shouldnt be in there.... then... Not sure. 

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Joshua
Master Mason
Richmond Michigan Lodge #187


Posted By: Lighthouse
Date Posted: November/10/2009 at 10:38am
I will point out, Joshua, you could have someone show up in your Lodge too, who is not actually a Mason, but faked everyone out enough to gain entrance.
 
 


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Naval Lodge No. 87 (Vallejo, CA): Secretary & Trestle Board Editor


Posted By: Palmetto Bug
Date Posted: November/10/2009 at 6:21pm
Let me clarify...
 
The rules of this forum allow access to the tiled forums by some men that may not necessarily be recognized by your Grand Lodge. Example: A member of PHA of Alabama may be granted access. A member of the F&AM of Alabama may also have access. Neither recognize the other. Another example: The fairly recent period of time during which the Grand Lodges of Washington, DC, and New York redrew recognition of each other.
 
My overall point is that the "tiled" forums should not be treated as though they were tiled lodges. They are not. They are simply places for more serious and sometimes sensitive discussions that we do not necessarily want to have in front of the general public.


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Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto.

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Posted By: TonyTheTiger
Date Posted: March/26/2010 at 2:39am
If they aren't tiled then wouldn't it be a good idea to remove the word tile so that there is no confusion?


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: March/26/2010 at 3:08am
Originally posted by TonyTheTiger TonyTheTiger wrote:

If they aren't tiled then wouldn't it be a good idea to remove the word tile so that there is no confusion?
Have you a better word?
 


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Initiated : 23rd April 2002
Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: March/26/2010 at 4:27am
They are Tyled in the sense that one has to request access and prove himself to be a Master Mason to an Admin or Mod.    .... Other than that the "Tyled" forums are private and for the discussion of masonic topics normally done in private between Master Masons.

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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: Jayman
Date Posted: March/26/2010 at 6:29am
Originally posted by TonyTheTiger TonyTheTiger wrote:

If they aren't tiled then wouldn't it be a good idea to remove the word tile so that there is no confusion?
 
 
Think of it this way, you personally, haven't determined the other participants to be true masons. Those that have determined the participants to be true masons are unknown to you.
 
I would treat the "tyled" area to be like the post-lodge refreshment. You are surrounded by Brethren and can speak freely as a Mason, but without revealing anything that you would in the lodge room itself.
 
So yes, there is a reason to have a restricted area, but by no means does that mean you should speak of any secrets.


Posted By: MasterHangman33
Date Posted: March/26/2010 at 9:26am
Grips, Words and Signs is what they consider "Secret" here in mi. But i tend to be very discreet about mostly everything else as well. I'll discuss bits and pieces but vaguely. Even less that what is given to new Brother to share with their Family here. The GL has a program that most Lodges have implemented called "Share the Secret", where the newly Initiated, Passed and Raised Brother is given booklets to share with his Family that basically says what happened to Him and what it meant. Was cool when i went thru, but i dont Know if i like it now very much.

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Worshipful Master
Trenton/Wyandotte #8
PHP Trenton Chapter #173
Union Council #11
Valley of Detroit A.A.S.R



Posted By: kamatu
Date Posted: May/17/2010 at 11:59pm
Hmmm, the problem I see is that I simply filled out a standard registration form for this forum software, got an email, clicked a link and I have access.  So, I could be a profane for all everyone here knows.


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: May/18/2010 at 12:13am
Originally posted by kamatu kamatu wrote:

Hmmm, the problem I see is that I simply filled out a standard registration form for this forum software, got an email, clicked a link and I have access.  So, I could be a profane for all everyone here knows.
True.......until you prove yourself.


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Initiated : 23rd April 2002
Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: May/18/2010 at 7:01am
Originally posted by kamatu kamatu wrote:

Hmmm, the problem I see is that I simply filled out a standard registration form for this forum software, got an email, clicked a link and I have access.  So, I could be a profane for all everyone here knows.


You only have access to the Public Forums, not the Tyled Forums.   You will have to prove yourself for that access.


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: joelpetes_jm
Date Posted: May/18/2010 at 8:53am
Originally posted by kamatu kamatu wrote:

Hmmm, the problem I see is that I simply filled out a standard registration form for this forum software, got an email, clicked a link and I have access.  So, I could be a profane for all everyone here knows.
 
I thought the same thing until I proved up and a new forum header became visible.
 


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R 06/12/2010

Reading the signs and smelling the roses on my journey to that undiscovered country from whose bourne no traveler returns.

Monticello Lodge #16


Posted By: 150man
Date Posted: May/18/2010 at 9:32am
Kamatu, are you a mason?  If so, where do you hail from?  Imho, this site is very helpful for those who aren't masons to get helpful advice on facts and fiction of the craft and how to go about becoming one.  And for those who are regular masons and wish to speak masonically, there is the tyled forums, which you have to prove you are a master mason of a regular masonic lodge.  Both prove to be good a nice conduit for communicating with masons from around the world, if you enjoy healthy conversation.

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Pleiades Lodge 478
Illumination Lodge No. 5
Old Chicago York Rite Bodies
Medinah Shriners
Valley of Chicago
Illuminati AMD Council No 495
www.livingstonesmagazine.com






Posted By: Stuntman98
Date Posted: May/18/2010 at 12:11pm
Greeting Brothers

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P.M. Pride of The Walton No.110
MWPHGL Washington
District No.9

SPAIN MILITARY CONSISTORY #99 AASR,PHA


Posted By: kamatu
Date Posted: May/18/2010 at 12:39pm
Originally posted by edwmax edwmax wrote:

Originally posted by kamatu kamatu wrote:

Hmmm, the problem I see is that I simply filled out a standard registration form for this forum software, got an email, clicked a link and I have access.  So, I could be a profane for all everyone here knows.


You only have access to the Public Forums, not the Tyled Forums.   You will have to prove yourself for that access.


Aha!  So this is a clever trap to deceive those who are not one of us! Since it talks about tyled access, but it is only an introduction.Evil%20Smile

Sorry, I've been reading too much antimasonic poo-poo lately. Dead

So, how does one prove themselves?  Nevermind I read the sticky.


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: May/18/2010 at 6:43pm
Seems to me that the profane say that to the Tyler, when they try to enter a Lodge also.Confused
 
 
 
Small World, eh?Wink


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Initiated : 23rd April 2002
Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: Palmetto Bug
Date Posted: May/18/2010 at 7:13pm
We are slick, ain't we?

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Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto.

http://palmettomason.blogspot.com/


Posted By: Stuntman98
Date Posted: May/19/2010 at 7:48am
I read everybody's Post's and replies and some are quite funny, what is the job of the tyler.... how does he do his job.... Gents that is what i see happening, keep up the good work Palmetto!

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S.S. Sons of Light No.77
P.M. Pride of The Walton No.110
MWPHGL Washington
District No.9

SPAIN MILITARY CONSISTORY #99 AASR,PHA


Posted By: brother felix
Date Posted: May/28/2010 at 1:08am
CAn i get a admin to question call me so i can get access to the tiled rooms.

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Brother Valderrama
Heir's of Abraham #069
Norfolk Va.
Mines for yours!
initiated Nov 18, 2006
Passed    Mar 27, 2007
"Born on" Oct 5, 2007


Posted By: brother felix
Date Posted: May/28/2010 at 1:16am
simply put if you gonna treat it like a lodgethen do so..
"The first and constant care of Masons when convened?"
Will there be a understanding that there is no universal grand lodge over all. One jurisdiction may not be similar to another even in there own state, county, or city.


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Brother Valderrama
Heir's of Abraham #069
Norfolk Va.
Mines for yours!
initiated Nov 18, 2006
Passed    Mar 27, 2007
"Born on" Oct 5, 2007


Posted By: brother felix
Date Posted: May/28/2010 at 1:31am
Actually this isnt a the tyled forums your still in waiting.  like i am. wish someone get me on that black and white. Im scared of the dark.

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Brother Valderrama
Heir's of Abraham #069
Norfolk Va.
Mines for yours!
initiated Nov 18, 2006
Passed    Mar 27, 2007
"Born on" Oct 5, 2007


Posted By: 7 precepts
Date Posted: June/06/2010 at 2:02pm
so how do i gain access to this "tyled" forum?

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2* Senior DeMolay
Lynn Skinner Chapter
3* Master Mason
Bartlett#211 GLofTn F&AM
32* Master of the Royal Secret
Valley of Memphis Orient of Tennessee
Yellow Dog etc... etc... etc...


Posted By: daves
Date Posted: June/06/2010 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by 7 precepts 7 precepts wrote:

so how do i gain access to this "tyled" forum?


Ask


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Bassendean RAC (WAC 20)
18th Boucaut RC (AASR Australia 5)
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Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: June/07/2010 at 3:25pm
Originally posted by daves daves wrote:

Originally posted by 7 precepts 7 precepts wrote:

so how do i gain access to this "tyled" forum?


Ask


Better Yet,   .... You MUST  PM a Mod or Admin and ASK!   ... That is so stated in the sticky.
... 2B1ASK ....


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Thomasville 369


Posted By: mustangcobratim
Date Posted: June/15/2010 at 11:03am
Originally posted by edwmax edwmax wrote:

They are Tyled in the sense that one has to request access and prove himself to be a Master Mason to an Admin or Mod.    .... Other than that the "Tyled" forums are private and for
 
 
the discussion of masonic topics normally done in private between Master Masons.
Actually they don't! When i registered i was expecting to have to prove myself a M.M,but all i had to do is put some info in about myself. so in that respect I would have to say you would have to watch your tongue on this forum. If it isn't readily available to any non mason then I wouldn't talk about it here!
 
Just my 2 cents


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Mt. clemens lodge No.6 F&A.M
Steward


Posted By: 150man
Date Posted: June/15/2010 at 11:10am

The tyled forums are not visible to the public.  You have to prove yourself to be a regular master mason to gain access.  This is the public forum you have access to which is open to mason and non-mason alike.



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Pleiades Lodge 478
Illumination Lodge No. 5
Old Chicago York Rite Bodies
Medinah Shriners
Valley of Chicago
Illuminati AMD Council No 495
www.livingstonesmagazine.com






Posted By: Ashton
Date Posted: June/17/2010 at 10:48am
I submitted my request to Palmetto Bug via PM.
 
-Ashton


Posted By: East_Regalia
Date Posted: September/06/2010 at 5:49am
I will be interested (when the time comes) to see how I am tried and tested by the Tyler here. I have found from another Masonic Forum online that the methods of testing in the North American constitutions are very different from ours in Grand Lodge of Scotland. I was once given a series of questions that frankly I had some difficulty answering due to differences in ritual and in how questions may be asked or phrased.  

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Posted By: Caution1010
Date Posted: November/19/2010 at 12:09am
Originally posted by daves daves wrote:

Originally posted by 7 precepts 7 precepts wrote:

so how do i gain access to this "tyled" forum?


Ask
lol


Posted By: Don_Mega
Date Posted: February/27/2011 at 11:46am
if that be the case somebody in the wrong position

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Posted By: jaya
Date Posted: February/27/2011 at 1:30pm

What they are trying to say is that with how this forum is set up, there might be someone in the tiled area that is not recgonized by your grand lodge. Each person with access to those areas has proven themselves to be what they are, EA, FC, or MM to an admin or mod.  But even with this, not all jurisdictions recgonize others. For example, I live in NC where the GO of NC does recgonize the MWPHGLNC but I can not drive an hour down the road to SC and visit a PHA lodge there because there is no recgonization there. That being the case, there probably is at least one Brother in the tiled area that is a PHA mason from SC.



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Black Mountain 663 - Junior Warden
AASR Valley of Asheville - KSA
The Masonic Society

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Posted By: masonic.truths
Date Posted: April/20/2011 at 7:07pm
Please let me know if any of the following statements are incorrect:

  1. In order to gain access to the "Tiled" Forums, a Forum member must stand an examination to prove that he is a Mason (EA, FC, or MM) in good standing.
  2. In order to pass the examination and prove himself, he and the Admin/Mod administering the examination must exchange Masonic information that would include the modes of recognition.
  3. The modes of recognition are part of the body of Masonic information that is considered secret.
  4. The possibility does exist that a hacker could obtain access to all areas or the Forum including the "Tiled" Forum and the Private Messages of all Forum Members.
  5. If such unauthorized access to the Forum did take place I would have violated my EA Obligation. 


Posted By: daves
Date Posted: April/20/2011 at 7:38pm
That's why we must all take the greatest care in discussing ritual etc. What might be OK in some jurisdictions, may be completely unacceptable in others. If in doubt, say nothing.

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Bassendean RAC (WAC 20)
18th Boucaut RC (AASR Australia 5)
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Posted By: jaya
Date Posted: April/20/2011 at 8:49pm
That is a problem with electronic communications. There is nothing in this forum that is secure. Packets are unencrypted and can be "captured" at any place along the lines from your computer to the server. A man in the middle attack would open up everything you send on the internet to someone with the knowledge to do it. These forums do not use encryption or a secure tunnel for communications. Always assume that anything you type can be viewed by a profane. Even if it were secure, there are some in the tyled area that your GL might not recognize. In my case, the GL of NC does recognize PHA for instance. However, they only recognize the mwphglnc as regular. They do not recognize PHA in other states as yet. It is that way in many states. That means that we can not carry on masonic communications with PHA members in other states. That makes the tyled section less tyled even.

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Jay Austin

Black Mountain 663 - Junior Warden
AASR Valley of Asheville - KSA
The Masonic Society

http://westernncmason.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow - http://westernncmason.blogspot.com


Posted By: masonic.truths
Date Posted: April/20/2011 at 9:16pm
I understand the perils associated with posting in the "Tiled Forum".  That can be easily overcome by not posting anything that could violate my obligation.

My major concern is with what I would have to reveal via Private Message to gain access, if as I stated above it would require disclosing modes of recognition, the possibility of an unauthorized person accessing the Private Message would bother me.  No one has addressed that.


Posted By: canuck
Date Posted: April/21/2011 at 12:22am
The private messages can not be accessed by an unauthorized person. The only one accessing them is the owner of that mail-box.

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Posted By: masonic.truths
Date Posted: April/21/2011 at 9:31am
Originally posted by canuck canuck wrote:

The private messages can not be accessed by an unauthorized person. The only one accessing them is the owner of that mail-box.


So you are saying that the Forum can not be hacked.


Posted By: canuck
Date Posted: April/21/2011 at 11:26am
Of course it can be hacked... the same way your personal e-mail can be hacked, the e-mail of the secretary of the lodge, the Grand Secretary... the same way someone can steal your mail from your mailbox. 

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Posted By: Caution1010
Date Posted: April/21/2011 at 12:24pm
I see masonic.truth's concern about the hacking.

Especially since there would have to be some masonic discourse to get approved into the tyled forums.

That may not necessarily be the case for a GM email or a Lodge sec email.

But I don't think mailbox security on a forum is something to be worried about personally. 


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R: 12/31/10

PHA-AL

"You can't trust those fellow-crafts...buncha rogues and murderers!"


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: April/21/2011 at 1:01pm
Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

Originally posted by canuck canuck wrote:

The private messages can not be accessed by an unauthorized person. The only one accessing them is the owner of that mail-box.


So you are saying that the Forum can not be hacked.


In one of your above post you referenced the OBs'   the OBs are about "willfully & knowingly" relieving Masonic secretes; or doing so without due regard and thus carelessly reveling the secrets to those not entitled to receive them.   .... Yes these forums could be hacked ( but that wouldn't last for long); but this is no less than your Lodge being bugged or someone turning on their CELL PHONE during ritual.      .... These are not you fault and not a violation of your OBs.

It is not intended to hold "Tyled Lodge" meetings in the forums. ... But what the Tyled sections are to provide private area for discussions; and to assure the Members those with access (Quarrymen) have been have been Tried (by admins or Mods) and found to be Master Masons.   .... It is up to you, and your OBs, as to how open your discussions are.   ... Not everyone is comfortable with everything that maybe discussed.

Next, not everyone with Quarryman status is recognized by each other's GLs.   This is why Membership is restricted to recognizes Lodge/GLs of the US, the UGLE and PHA.    So it is up to you to resolve your part of the OB about "holding Masonic communication" with Clandestine, or suspended Masons, "I Knowing them to be such".       (Many GLs are at 'don't ask; and don't tell' ... in regards to part of this... MS & PHA relations)

Next, being tried in PMs:   ... None of my questions when correctly answered will cause a Mason to violate his OBs.   ... Now you have to realize the same as when visiting a Lodge for the first time; you are the one at the Door asking to enter;  They (Tyler, SD, WM, Lodge) have the right to Try you and are required  to find you worthy before allowing you to enter.    

... The same with these forums, we don't invite you to join the Tyled forums.  YOU have to PM an Admin or Mod and request access    .... Some say to me (admin) "how do I know you are a Master Mason?"    ... The answer: You should have already determined that before asking for "Tyled access". The same as you would before visiting a new Lodge. ....  You can be assured the Admins & Mods are, and know what they are doing.   I have stated before, I can vouch for every Quarryman on the Forums; either I, another Admin or Mod has made the proper inquires.




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Thomasville 369


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: April/21/2011 at 6:33pm
I can personally vouch for "edwmax, Palmetto Bug, MikeS & Daves" as I have sat in Lodge with these Brothers.
This is the case with a few other Admins/Mods who have done the same.


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Initiated : 23rd April 2002
Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: Flotown79
Date Posted: April/21/2011 at 11:35pm
It really all boils down to this, the Tiled Forms are not a requirement for users of this group.  If you have an issue with the method used to gain access you can either visit an Admin's /Mod's lodge and personally sit with them or just leave it alone altogether.

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F. E. Thomas III, MPS


Posted By: daves
Date Posted: April/21/2011 at 11:39pm
Originally posted by tm274 tm274 wrote:

I can personally vouch for "edwmax, Palmetto Bug, MikeS & Daves" as I have sat in Lodge with these Brothers.
This is the case with a few other Admins/Mods who have done the same.

And I can vouch for TM and Arash - I've had the privilege to sit in Lodge with both Brethren


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Bassendean RAC (WAC 20)
18th Boucaut RC (AASR Australia 5)
http://thecarringtonlodge.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow - The Carrington Lodge





Posted By: masonic.truths
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 8:34am
I am simply trying to make sure I understand the process, so I will make another attempt to gain the information that I seek.

  1. I have been informed by one source that he was not required to provide any "secret" information in order to gain access.
  2. An examination to gain access to a Tiled Lodge would require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition, which are "secret".
  3. So, does an examination by an Admin/Mod to gain access to the "Tiled" Forums require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition?




Posted By: Flotown79
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 9:34am
What is the problem?  Not all Admins/Mods have the same process.  I will sometimes call to get a physical description of a person and have the requester to provide a copy of his drivers license along with a current dues card.  Sometimes I will simply ask questions.  If a dues card does not have a member number I often request it and then verify with their GL using personal resources.  There are many ways to find out with actually providing "secrets."

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Posted By: masonic.truths
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 10:52am
No problem here, just trying to get a straight answer in order to make a decision.  Is there a problem with that?






Posted By: Caution1010
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 10:55am
I can vouch for flotown's strong arm guarding the gate of the tyled forums.

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P: 12/3/10
R: 12/31/10

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"You can't trust those fellow-crafts...buncha rogues and murderers!"


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 10:57am
Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

I am simply trying to make sure I understand the process, so I will make another attempt to gain the information that I seek.

  1. I have been informed by one source that he was not required to provide any "secret" information in order to gain access.
  2. An examination to gain access to a Tiled Lodge would require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition, which are "secret".
  3. So, does an examination by an Admin/Mod to gain access to the "Tiled" Forums require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition?




PM me the username that stated he was not tried.  I will then tell how he was.    ...  Lawful information is accepted; as well as different questions that maybe asked.   .... The same type questions a Master Mason would expect to be asked outside of the Lodge.    .... Remember one of the problems we have, is all the answers & Masonic secrets are available on the internet. 


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: canuck
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 1:24pm
Each and every one of us makes a personal decision whether he enters the tyled section or not. What is a violation of the OB in some jurisdictions, it's not in others. If one feels that he is violating the OB, why is he even asking access?


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Posted By: masonic.truths
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by canuck canuck wrote:

Each and every one of us makes a personal decision whether he enters the tyled section or not. What is a violation of the OB in some jurisdictions, it's not in others. If one feels that he is violating the OB, why is he even asking access?


As I stated previously, I am only trying to find out if the process would cause me to violate my obligation, as I understand it, prior to requesting access.


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 5:48pm
Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

Originally posted by canuck canuck wrote:

Each and every one of us makes a personal decision whether he enters the tyled section or not. What is a violation of the OB in some jurisdictions, it's not in others. If one feels that he is violating the OB, why is he even asking access?


As I stated previously, I am only trying to find out if the process would cause me to violate my obligation, as I understand it, prior to requesting access.


When visiting a new Lodge, would answering their question cause you to violate your OBs?  You've never sat in that Lodge; the members don't know you & you don't know them.   So how is that different than here?


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 6:16pm
"As I stated previously, I am only trying to find out if the process would cause me to violate my obligation, as I understand it, prior to requesting access."
No one here(Admins/Mods) are here to cause you to violate your Obs......only you can do that.
The process is like edwmax says. It's no different to visiting a Lodge, where you have to prove yourself.


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Initiated : 23rd April 2002
Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: jaya
Date Posted: April/22/2011 at 6:35pm
Originally posted by edwmax edwmax wrote:

Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

I am simply trying to make sure I understand the process, so I will make another attempt to gain the information that I seek.

  1. I have been informed by one source that he was not required to provide any "secret" information in order to gain access.
  2. An examination to gain access to a Tiled Lodge would require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition, which are "secret".
  3. So, does an examination by an Admin/Mod to gain access to the "Tiled" Forums require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition?




PM me the username that stated he was not tried.  I will then tell how he was.    ...  Lawful information is accepted; as well as different questions that maybe asked.   .... The same type questions a Master Mason would expect to be asked outside of the Lodge.    .... Remember one of the problems we have, is all the answers & Masonic secrets are available on the internet. 
 
He never said someone was not tried. He said they did not have to reveal "secret" information or modes of recognition.


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Jay Austin

Black Mountain 663 - Junior Warden
AASR Valley of Asheville - KSA
The Masonic Society

http://westernncmason.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow - http://westernncmason.blogspot.com


Posted By: Flotown79
Date Posted: April/24/2011 at 12:30am
Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

No problem here, just trying to get a straight answer in order to make a decision.  Is there a problem with that?






Nope.  You are not the first to raise this type of questioning and you probably wont be the last. 


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F. E. Thomas III, MPS


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: April/24/2011 at 10:41am
Originally posted by jaya jaya wrote:

Originally posted by edwmax edwmax wrote:

Originally posted by masonic.truths masonic.truths wrote:

I am simply trying to make sure I understand the process, so I will make another attempt to gain the information that I seek.

  1. I have been informed by one source that he was not required to provide any "secret" information in order to gain access.
  2. An examination to gain access to a Tiled Lodge would require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition, which are "secret".
  3. So, does an examination by an Admin/Mod to gain access to the "Tiled" Forums require the exchange of the Modes of Recognition?




PM me the username that stated he was not tried.  I will then tell how he was.    ...  Lawful information is accepted; as well as different questions that maybe asked.   .... The same type questions a Master Mason would expect to be asked outside of the Lodge.    .... Remember one of the problems we have, is all the answers & Masonic secrets are available on the internet. 
 
He never said someone was not tried. He said they did not have to reveal "secret" information or modes of recognition.


The problem is: What one is defined as 'modes of recognition'.     Any and all questions used to determine if a person is a Mason, is a 'Mode of Recognition'   .... But your Ritual & OB defines certain signs & grips to secret and how to be communicated.      .... Should I ask someone for one of these, there is a correct answer that I expect to be given, which will NOT violate one's OB.   I normally do not ask these questions, because of the confusion existing in New Masons.  

I just recently heard and explanation for this confusion of which I completely agree.  The New Mason received instruction from an "illiterate Masonic Mentor/Coach" who only knew how to patriot the Catechism.

If anyone answering our questions, believes he will violate his OB; then his answer is wrong and/or he has not been property trained.   ... A further problem arise when trying to tell New Mason being examined his answer is wrong, when he believes it to be correct and as his Coach taught him; therefore the Tyler is not a regular Mason.    ... I normally instruct that Mason to talk to his Coach and get back to me with the correct answer.


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: Palmetto Bug
Date Posted: April/24/2011 at 11:34am

When I was an administrator, my questions would never allow a requester to violate his obligations. I had a weird way of reasonably determining valid Masonic membership – a method that I will not divulge in these open forums since some of the current administrators may use a similar method.

The easiest and safest way is to request an administrator’s email address via a private message and then email a good copy of one’s dues card to him. Sometimes – depending on the Jurisdiction – a front and back copy will need to be sent. If the dues card can be examined and determined to be valid, no questions and answers will be needed.



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Homo sum; humani nihil a me alienum puto.

http://palmettomason.blogspot.com/


Posted By: SPHINX524
Date Posted: April/25/2011 at 8:55am
Originally posted by Palmetto Bug Palmetto Bug wrote:

When I was an administrator, my questions would never allow a requester to violate his obligations. I had a weird way of reasonably determining valid Masonic membership – a method that I will not divulge in these open forums since some of the current administrators may use a similar method.

The easiest and safest way is to request an administrator’s email address via a private message and then email a good copy of one’s dues card to him. Sometimes – depending on the Jurisdiction – a front and back copy will need to be sent. If the dues card can be examined and determined to be valid, no questions and answers will be needed.

 
How long did it normally take you to validate someone even when they provided the information that you asked for?


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Posted By: Flotown79
Date Posted: April/25/2011 at 11:43am
Originally posted by SPHINX524 SPHINX524 wrote:

Originally posted by Palmetto Bug Palmetto Bug wrote:

When I was an administrator, my questions would never allow a requester to violate his obligations. I had a weird way of reasonably determining valid Masonic membership – a method that I will not divulge in these open forums since some of the current administrators may use a similar method.

The easiest and safest way is to request an administrator’s email address via a private message and then email a good copy of one’s dues card to him. Sometimes – depending on the Jurisdiction – a front and back copy will need to be sent. If the dues card can be examined and determined to be valid, no questions and answers will be needed.

 
How long did it normally take you to validate someone even when they provided the information that you asked for?


It takes time my friend.


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F. E. Thomas III, MPS


Posted By: schultzy
Date Posted: April/26/2011 at 1:47am
You'll have to excuse my ignorance , but coming from OZ we don't have dues cards and since I've not travelled outside this jurisdiction what is a dues card? How do they establish that the person emailing the copy is a mason?

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We meet in the Grand design of being happy and confering happiness
I 3Nov 1990
P 2Mar 1991
R 1June 1991


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: April/26/2011 at 3:02am
Schultzy, a dues card is issued to the US brethren on payment of fees. It shows that they are financial.
I hope I'm right.Confused


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Initiated : 23rd April 2002
Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: April/26/2011 at 5:53am
Our 'dues card' is almost exactly the same same the travel card/paper TM had when he came to the states.  TM's card (about 4 x 6 in) had the same info on the front side as our cards  (wallet size 2 x 3) on the front & back.   The card indicates the member's dues are paid and in good standing until the end of the year. Thus the name 'dues card'

During the late early/mid 1800s in the US, there was a problem of suspend Masons traveling from Lodge to Lodge asking for assistance.    I think it was the GL of Mass (about 1850 ?), that first suggested the use of membership/dues cards.    This slowly grew next years, but soon visiting Masons were being refused entrance if they could not produce document evidence of being in good standing.

I can email a copy of mine if you would like to see it.   I don't want to give more physical description in the open forums.


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: April/26/2011 at 6:10am
The due card is used almost elusively by US & Canadian Lodges; and, allows visiting new Lodges easier.    In other world GLs, a Mason can visit; but he must be vouched for by a Brother who has sat in a Lodge with him.  This can be a problem when visiting a new Lodge and you do not know anyone there.    Of course with due notice the Lodge Secretary can make arrangements with the other Lodge sending Lawful information of the coming visitation.


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: ABrother
Date Posted: May/29/2011 at 6:42am
I can understand why everyone wants to ensure that no secret Masonic information is discussed in any of these "un-tyled" forums. It seems to be a moot point though since virtually all Masonic ritual, signs, tokens, and words can be found on the internet thanks to anti-Masonic web sites. With that in mind, even if or when I do gain access to the "tyled" areas, I will not discuss any secret Masonic subjects for the simple fact that I can not guarantee that everyone that has access to those forums is indeed a worthy brother. I have to rely on the web-sites Mods or Admins (not that I don't trust them but they are after all human), that someone is worthy. And unless I verify that all present are worthy, then I am obligated to not speak of any secret subject. So as a rule of thumb, as stated in an earlier post, when in doubt, say nothing. I hate for this to be my first post, but it just seems like a lot of unnecessary banter about a subject that really doesn't need to be discussed.


Posted By: ABrother
Date Posted: May/29/2011 at 6:47am
-oops..... didn't mean for the last half of my post to be in all bold.


Posted By: jaya
Date Posted: May/29/2011 at 7:44am
It does not matter if things can be found on websites or not. We are obligated to not discuss masonic secrets in any manor where they might be revealed.

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Jay Austin

Black Mountain 663 - Junior Warden
AASR Valley of Asheville - KSA
The Masonic Society

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Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: May/29/2011 at 8:28am
Originally posted by ABrother ABrother wrote:

I can understand why everyone wants to ensure that no secret Masonic information is discussed in any of these "un-tyled" forums.  .....  And unless I verify that all present are worthy, then I am obligated to not speak of any secret subject. So as a rule of thumb, as stated in an earlier post, when in doubt, say nothing. I hate for this to be my first post, but it just seems like a lot of unnecessary banter about a subject that really doesn't need to be discussed.


So when visiting a new Lodge, you personally try each and every Member present before sitting in the Lodge with  them????    .....   Lawful information, includes a vouch from a known Mason.  The Quarrymen forums and the Members there of,   ...  are vouched for by the Admins & Mods.


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: May/29/2011 at 6:54pm
Originally posted by ABrother ABrother wrote:

I can understand why everyone wants to ensure that no secret Masonic information is discussed in any of these "un-tyled" forums. It seems to be a moot point though since virtually all Masonic ritual, signs, tokens, and words can be found on the internet thanks to anti-Masonic web sites. With that in mind, even if or when I do gain access to the "tyled" areas, I will not discuss any secret Masonic subjects for the simple fact that I can not guarantee that everyone that has access to those forums is indeed a worthy brother. I have to rely on the web-sites Mods or Admins (not that I don't trust them but they are after all human), that someone is worthy. And unless I verify that all present are worthy, then I am obligated to not speak of any secret subject. So as a rule of thumb, as stated in an earlier post, when in doubt, say nothing. I hate for this to be my first post, but it just seems like a lot of unnecessary banter about a subject that really doesn't need to be discussed.
FYI, even those who are granted access to the tyled forums, we like Members to adhere to their Obs as we can't be 100% sure to their authenticity, unless we have sat in Lodge with them.
 
 
On that point, we know knothing about you, either. Confused


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Initiated : 23rd April 2002
Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: ABrother
Date Posted: May/30/2011 at 12:58am
Jaya: That is exactly what I mean. The internet as a whole (weather it is a tyled message board or not) is not a secure place to discuss Masonic topics.

edwmax: When I visit another lodge, I am the one that has to be tried to prove myself. That being said, once I am accepted by those brothers, I am still careful about what I discuss around those I don't know until I believe them to be worthy brothers.

tm274: That is basically what I was trying to say. I am not sure how many members there are on this forum, but I am pretty sure it is safe to say that no one has sat in lodge with every verified brother. So since no one can be 100% cetain of a brother's status, care should be taken when discussing secret Masonic topics. And you are correct, you know nothing about me because I am a new member. I do plan on becoming an active participant in this forum, so I do plan on requesting access to the "tyled" forums so hopefully we can become better accquainted as brothers in the future. Also, I am not trying to make a big deal out of any of this, I just think it is important for people to realized that nothing on the computer is 100% secure and discussing any secret information should be done so with a great deal of care because of that fact. For any Admins or Mods that thought I was questioning their ability to determine a brother's status, please know that that was not my intention even though I realize that it came out that way.


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: May/30/2011 at 2:19am
Originally posted by ABrother ABrother wrote:

Jaya: That is exactly what I mean. The internet as a whole (weather it is a tyled message board or not) is not a secure place to discuss Masonic topics.

edwmax: When I visit another lodge, I am the one that has to be tried to prove myself. That being said, once I am accepted by those brothers, I am still careful about what I discuss around those I don't know until I believe them to be worthy brothers.

tm274: That is basically what I was trying to say. I am not sure how many members there are on this forum, but I am pretty sure it is safe to say that no one has sat in lodge with every verified brother. So since no one can be 100% cetain of a brother's status, care should be taken when discussing secret Masonic topics. And you are correct, you know nothing about me because I am a new member. I do plan on becoming an active participant in this forum, so I do plan on requesting access to the "tyled" forums so hopefully we can become better accquainted as brothers in the future. Also, I am not trying to make a big deal out of any of this, I just think it is important for people to realized that nothing on the computer is 100% secure and discussing any secret information should be done so with a great deal of care because of that fact. For any Admins or Mods that thought I was questioning their ability to determine a brother's status, please know that that was not my intention even though I realize that it came out that way.
Some have sat  in Lodge(me included) with brethren of this forum,even overseas( I was in the US last year) so I can be satisfied.
We prefer that NO secrets are ever "revealed" on this forum at any time, purely because it is an Internet and not a Lodge.
 
My other point was, that we have an "Introduction" forum and were you to tell a little about yourself, you just may find members who just may live near your neighbourhood.


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Initiated : 23rd April 2002
Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: ABrother
Date Posted: May/30/2011 at 2:27am
Again I appologize for any misunderstanding. I interpereted the post that tyled forums are not really tyled as meaning that tyled forums WERE tyled which led me to believe that one could speak freely about any Masonic subject secret or not. I am glad to hear that that is not the case. Thanks for letting me know about the "Introduction" forum. I will check that out as soon as I finish this post.


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: May/30/2011 at 9:08am
Originally posted by ABrother ABrother wrote:

Jaya: That is exactly what I mean. The internet as a whole (weather it is a tyled message board or not) is not a secure place to discuss Masonic topics.

edwmax: When I visit another lodge, I am the one that has to be tried to prove myself. That being said, once I am accepted by those brothers, I am still careful about what I discuss around those I don't know until I believe them to be worthy brothers.

 
    ... But that is not what posted.      ... While there is a 'Tyled' area of the forums od while the members have proven them selves to be Master Masons.  The problem is that not every one is recognizes by GLs of the other members.    The  Tyled area is simply for the  private discussion of Masonic issues to the extent one feels his OBs allow; it is not an "internet Lodge"    ... If you do not want to participate, you do not have to.


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: ABrother
Date Posted: June/03/2011 at 12:14am
Please read my post dated: 30/May/2011 at 2:27am. I do plan to become an active member of this forum because I think it will be great to be able to learn from other perspectives of Masonry worldwide. Can we please consider this matter closed because I do not want this discussion to define me as a member. I was simply voicing a concern and my concern has been relieved.


Posted By: jaya
Date Posted: June/03/2011 at 12:22am
Don't worry about it too much. People will look at each post on an individual basis. We all do not agree on everything but do tend to treat each other with respect. Actually your post shows up for me as 3:27 am. It depends on what you have your timezone set to as to what time it displays as.

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Jay Austin

Black Mountain 663 - Junior Warden
AASR Valley of Asheville - KSA
The Masonic Society

http://westernncmason.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow - http://westernncmason.blogspot.com


Posted By: ABrother
Date Posted: June/04/2011 at 2:52am
Thanks. I just today figured out how to use the "quote" action to reply so hopefully I will not have to deal with time zone issues again.


Posted By: tm274
Date Posted: June/04/2011 at 3:40am
Originally posted by ABrother ABrother wrote:

Thanks. I just today figured out how to use the "quote" action to reply so hopefully I will not have to deal with time zone issues again.
Y'all, still 12 hours behind me 'n daves & Co.Tongue

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Initiated : 23rd April 2002
Passed   : 25th June 2002
Raised    : 24th Sept 2002

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.
32° Farenheit is certainly not higher than 3° Cel.


Posted By: Adept?
Date Posted: August/31/2013 at 7:50am
I see no one has posted in here in a while. The fact of the matter is nothing that we do or say is secret...not a Single thing. Anything and everything and I do mean everything that anyone could ever want to know about free masonry is available in literature online at libraries and can be purchased at many book stores. Given that fact and given the various modes of recognition in different jurisdictions, the only real true way to know if a brother is who he says he is is to see his current active dues card.


Posted By: Flotown79
Date Posted: August/31/2013 at 8:02am
Originally posted by Adept? Adept? wrote:

I see no one has posted in here in a while. The fact of the matter is nothing that we do or say is secret...not a Single thing. Anything and everything and I do mean everything that anyone could ever want to know about free masonry is available in literature online at libraries and can be purchased at many book stores. Given that fact and given the various modes of recognition in different jurisdictions, the only real true way to know if a brother is who he says he is is to see his current active dues card.


Really?  I know a few secrets, and I am not telling.


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F. E. Thomas III, MPS


Posted By: Adept?
Date Posted: August/31/2013 at 11:06am
Ha!


Posted By: BroScubaSteve
Date Posted: September/01/2013 at 7:41am
Originally posted by Adept? Adept? wrote:

I see no one has posted in here in a while. The fact of the matter is nothing that we do or say is secret...not a Single thing. Anything and everything and I do mean everything that anyone could ever want to know about free masonry is available in literature online at libraries and can be purchased at many book stores. Given that fact and given the various modes of recognition in different jurisdictions, the only real true way to know if a brother is who he says he is is to see his current active dues card.
I am of the opinion that every mm should learn duncans or snippets of it. Remember, your jurisdiction's ritual is different than an expose`. You will be able to trip up anyone faking an oral exam with the wording. Especially if they claim to be from your state. Be familiar with the cowans tools as they will never measure up to yours. ;)

Also, I see a lot of brethren worried about the private forums. You are knocking on the door of your own free will. If you think youre going to break your OB then dont ask for access. Imho...

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Passed 5-29-13
Raised 6-27-13

Junior Deacon
F&AM GLNJ
32°AASR NMJ, Southern Valley of NJ


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: September/01/2013 at 8:27am
I find someone using duncans for his answers he will not get access.   Duncan is trash. It was never a ritual manual, but an expose' for the unknowing. Pieces are left out and words out of order.    ... Duncan is a good resource for the clandestine, for they do not know any better.


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: simple man
Date Posted: September/03/2013 at 11:36pm
Lock it down till Max can send emails to all Brothers Sec. of their lodge to see if they are in good standing and their dues is paid up.. What you think Max? 

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Initiated 03/04/2008
Passed 01/21/2013
Raised 02/04/2013
S.D. Ft. Valley #110
Scribe Chapter Austin #18
I. M. Council H. C. Rigdon #35
C.G. Commandery Ivanhoe #10
32° Valley of Macon
Al Sihah Shrine


Posted By: edwmax
Date Posted: September/04/2013 at 5:50am
Originally posted by simple man simple man wrote:

Lock it down till Max can send emails to all Brothers Sec. of their lodge to see if they are in good standing and their dues is paid up.. What you think Max? 


Why ... I think you misunderstood   ... It is up to the user to prove he is in good standing.


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"He who would assume to govern others must first learn to govern himself."





Thomasville 369


Posted By: lyon
Date Posted: September/04/2013 at 10:38pm
Just a note to any new Freemasons who are interested in learning from Duncan's I'd strongly advise against it. Even if your lodge uses a ritual very similar to what's in the book, you're doing yourself a huge injustice by using it. Learning the work is hard and takes time and effort but you will only get out of the Craft what you put into it. Learning from a coach strengthens both of you in your work, and will help you truly internalize what the words mean.
I like the idea of a tiled forum because I think it could be an excellent resource for education and research as long as none of the signs, tokens, words or rituals are revealed. As a new MM I would be hesitant to participate at this time because I'm still figuring out what is and what isn't appropriate to discuss. For those who know what they're doing, I think it's a great idea.



Posted By: ouija21
Date Posted: November/06/2014 at 10:32pm
Remember your obligations, & honor both what is to be sacred and or what was intrusted to you in private and keep it that way. With respect I only feel comfortable speaking of things published in books etc... It keeps me within due bounds yet their our some things that are published I still will have no comment. In other words be careful my true brother's and if we need to get deep let us try each other & confirm on telephone or in privacy more especially in lodge if possible.

Fraternally,

Brother Larry

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